Cold open: circadian lighting and jet lag reduction

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But essentially on the lighting side, what has been done is uh it's called tunable lighting or circadian lighting um that basically follows the natural rhythm of the sun um to be able to mimic and have more flow with your cycle uh or the rhythm rhythmic um flow of your state. Um so you have better sleep quality, things of that nature. And when it comes to you know guest experience and just for lighting, for instance, you know, that could help uh minimize jet lag, which I know is a huge thing for travelers. Uh a lot of people that are doing Airbnb, even in hotels as well, um uh traveling, trying to reduce that jet lag is huge, uh, and being able to really recover quickly,

Welcome to episode 94

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right?

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Welcome to Live Let Thrive, a podcast about the Airbnb life, the share economy, and everything in between. Here are your hosts, Micah and Steve.

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Hello, hello, hello.

SPEAKER_03 0:55

And welcome back to another exciting episode of Live Let Throw. What's up, Micah Man? What up, what up? What episode we on Stevie Stacks? Nine to the foe. 94. Dang, we six from 100, man. We've been rolling two strong years, man. That's crazy. That's crazy, huh? Crazy.

SPEAKER_05 1:17

94. And we got a special guest today for episode 94.

SPEAKER_03 1:21

Yeah, we got Mr. Michael Brown from the 3P Theory Podcast. Give it up for Mike. Cough clap ball, man.

SPEAKER_05 1:31

What's up, Mike?

SPEAKER_01 1:32

How are you doing? How you guys doing? Uh, glad to be here. Thanks for thanks for having me.

SPEAKER_05 1:36

Oh, thanks for hopping on. And um, yeah, we're excited about this show. You're a share economy expert, I hear.

SPEAKER_01 1:44

Yeah, I would I would I will say that for the most part. Mike and I have gone back for you know a couple months now. Uh we you know kind of chatted offline on a couple things, but uh definitely learning a learning a lot um and just glad to be a part of the conversation.

SPEAKER_03 2:01

Yeah, definitely, definitely, man. Because yeah, I met Mike actually at um a Dallas Airbnb meetup.

Michael Brown's corporate engineering background

SPEAKER_03 2:07

And uh he told me what he does. Um and yeah, could you like kind of just really tell the uh listeners how you got involved in the share economy and what you were doing? Because I know you're talking about task, rabbit, all types of stuff.

SPEAKER_01 2:18

Yeah, yeah, definitely. So um, man, where do I begin? Uh I've actually been here in Dallas for about seven uh seven years, particularly from the uh Galveston, Houston area. And my background is actually in engineering. So I graduated from Texas AM University. Um you know, did the traditional route where you know you start in the corporate realm and things of that nature. I'm still in the corporate realm. Uh worked for a couple years uh as an engineer working on uh uh building projects for new construction uh and energy efficiency and things of that nature. So looking for ways to really add value to those projects from a um uh an efficiency standpoint. So that could be you know HVAC, it could be lighting, it could be uh service hot water, things of that nature. Uh and so in that journey, you know, like most people after they get out for a while, um, or for a couple of years, and you know, for me, I started to get you know a little a little bored to be honest. You know, I even though I was involved in these you know other activities, extracurricular organizations, things that nature. Um, but then also kind of what brought this about is um you know just getting out of that cycle of living from paycheck to paycheck, right? You know, you hear a lot of that conversation nowadays, especially with um, you know, a lot of the student loan debt, so

Escaping paycheck to paycheck through TaskRabbit

SPEAKER_01 3:34

on and so forth. Um, and so really I was just uh tired of being broke, to be honest. Uh like they say, sick or tired of being sick and tired. Um, and so in in that journey, you know, I I tried to find ways that I could really think outside the box. Uh, you know, I was already earning a pretty great income where I was uh in the corporate realm, but trying to figure out how I can expand upon that uh and find ways to really, you know, bring in extra revenue so then I could kind of create what I really wanted to in the future, uh kind of have that financial freedom. Uh and so with that, started doing some research, found out about Task Rabbit. Um, for those of you all don't know, TaskRabbit is essentially uh a platform that's I would in my in my words, I would say everything but Uber. Uh I mean you can essentially hire people to do different tasks, whether that be TV mounting, cleaning, things of that nature. Uh people set their own rates. Uh, we'll probably get into the details later, but just really getting into that and really just uh grinding it out in the evening sometimes after work. Um, you know, I'd get off you know five or six o'clock, I may be working until 10 o'clock at night and mainly on weekends as well. So uh really doing that, I'm probably not doing as much anymore. Um just kind of uh focused on weekends, but uh really just creating an opportunity for me to be able to build up some capital because uh eventually I do also want to get into real estate. Um and so uh doing that, you know, chopping out student loan debt, uh I will say that by the end of this year I will be debt free. No student loans, no car loans, none of that.

SPEAKER_03 5:11

So I have a question. How did you do that? Like as far as getting debt free, and then how how did you do that?

SPEAKER_01 5:19

Yeah, so I mean, um, you know, in addition to the task rabbit, uh, I also did tutoring on the side. So I I initially started out with the tutoring company, kind of doing that part-time, and then I kind of branched out on my own. Um and so really it just started with you know, just to kind of really take a step back to, you know, with with the whole being broke and and things of that nature, I think a lot of that stems around kind of three three main things. It's either you know not making enough money, um, or you're spending too much, or just money management. And I I think though those three things you know could happen in combination for a lot of people, and for me, it was it was all those things. And so trying to trying to find a way that I could you know increase my income in a way that also allowed me to have flexibility as well, because initially, the first uh you know, two years you know out of college, I also worked on the weekends in a restaurant to just make some extra income. But as you know, you got to stick to that schedules, all that kind of stuff. So Task Grab, it really allowed me to have that flexibility. I can create my own hours, uh, set my own rates, uh, things of that nature, and really kind of have with my entrepreneurial spirit in general, uh have that opportunity to create a kind of my own little small business, if you will. Um and I look up three years later, you know, after just eating away at that debt, eating away at that debt, things that nature, and not to say that it was all work and no play, because you know, work in my my in my saying, I would say you work hard, you play hard, uh, and allows you to really um have the freedom that you want to have and that balance, if you will. Um you know, a lot of people, you know, say, you know, how do you how do you do all that and things of that nature and have a full-time job? Um, you know, it really all stems to to just the vision I have for for where I want to be in the future. Um and that's kind of how the podcast was was brought about as well, just being being able to become more of a thought leader in my industry uh and and grow.

SPEAKER_05 7:14

So now are you a a Dave Ramsey fan, Mike?

SPEAKER_01 7:19

I am, and and it's funny you mentioned that. Um I uh I actually went through the course uh man, I think it

Dave Ramsey's course and focusing debt elimination

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was like two years ago. Um and it was um at one community church in Plano. And uh we actually took that course, I think it was a couple of weeks. Um and that kind of really helped re-kick start my motivation and drive for just trying to eat away at the dead and just you know get it out of the way. Because before I was just kind of playing around with it, I was like, oh, I'll throw a little bit here, a little bit there, then I'll go and backtrack and spend some spend a lot of money on something expensive. I have no business buying. Um but but yeah, it really just allowed me to have more focus, more traction. Uh, and then also another piece is surrounding yourself uh with like-minded individuals, right? Uh so you know how they always say you're the the average sum of the five people you hang around with. Uh, there's a lot of truth to that. Uh, I think being around people that are kind of on that same path uh really helps build that momentum and uh you can really scale some of your efforts.

SPEAKER_05 8:18

So you're gonna jump on a show and say, I am debt free.

SPEAKER_01 8:23

Oh yeah. I can't wait. I cannot wait, man.

SPEAKER_03 8:28

That's what's up, man. I'm still working on them student loans. I got a plan, but I'm working on them.

SPEAKER_05 8:36

Real quick, um, did you use uh an app like Mint or something like that to help track your um yeah, your financials?

SPEAKER_01 8:44

Uh not Mint. Uh there was another one, uh it's actually

Financial tracking tools: EveryDollar and Bill Shark

SPEAKER_01 8:48

endorsed by Dave Ramsey. I can't remember the name of it.

SPEAKER_05 8:50

Every dollar or something like that. There we go.

SPEAKER_01 8:52

Every dollar. Yeah, almost said uh simple dollar, but yeah, every dollar. Um I have heard of Mint before, but it's it's a very similar platform, allows you to really track you know where you're spending the most money. And for me, which I'm I'm sure most people out there that love to eat, uh, it was eating out. So eating out, whether that's for lunch, dinner, things of that nature, uh so start to scale back on that and look at and look at that. Uh there's actually some other tools as well, but probably not as much of an impact. Uh Bill Shark is another one to help really maximize you know different subscriptions that you may already be paying and try to uh save dollars on that aspect. Uh and that, I think I save over a grand um in the first year from what they were able to do, and that's after paying them for those services. Um so things like that. What is that? Bill Shark? Uh Bill Shark.

SPEAKER_05 9:40

Bill Shark, okay.

SPEAKER_01 9:42

So what they do is you know, you send them some of your information, you know, what bills you have. So they do cell phone, electricity, uh, security, a couple other services. And if you um if you sign up with them, I think they take I think it's 20 or 30% of your savings um for the for the whole term. So say if you're paying, you know, you got time warning right now, and you're paying, you know, so much a month, and they're able to, you know, get it down, you know, ten dollars less or even twenty dollars less per month without changing anything in your service, not adding more channels, not giving you extra stuff you don't need. Um so uh they can really work with you and really for me it's just a time saver because as we all know, we can do that exact exact same thing ourselves, but we're gonna be on the phone, wasting time, and it's it's just not worth it. So I'll leave it up to the pros to take care of that, and uh they do a really good job.

SPEAKER_05 10:35

And how much they charge a month for that?

SPEAKER_01 10:38

Uh it's not a monthly, so it's just a percentage. Yeah, it's just a percentage of your savings. So say if you know I was gonna save a thousand dollars that m that that whole year from what they did, then they take twenty percent of that up front.

SPEAKER_05 10:50

Oh, okay. That's not bad. And then the um they do electric bills too, right?

SPEAKER_01 10:56

Yeah, electricity as well.

SPEAKER_05 10:57

Okay, that's what's this called?

SPEAKER_01 10:59

Uh Bill Shark.

SPEAKER_03 11:01

Bill Shark.

SPEAKER_05 11:01

All right. I think I saw a commercial about it the other day on TV.

SPEAKER_03 11:04

Yeah, I think I'm about to switch over Bill Shark.

SPEAKER_05 11:09

All right, uh let's dive in real quick um on the Task Rabbit thing. You said it's a it's uh an app where you know people do you know odd jobs or whatever, and you know there's many number any number of jobs for for whatever price that they put out there. What exactly I mean, you you apparently used it to make some money. What what kind of things were you doing?

SPEAKER_01 11:28

Oh man, at the beginning, I felt like I was doing everything. Um but um you know they do have a list of you know services, so anything from TV mounting, uh you can do cleaning, uh lawn work, hauling stuff, uh moving. Uh it's a real big one in the summertime because you know, people graduating from college, they're moving into their new apartment, all that kind of stuff. Um man. Uh there's uh handyman work, so anytime you know appliances break, stuff like that. Uh so I've I've done it all, literally. Um and initially, you know, now thinking back on it, it's like, how did I know how to do all that stuff? And um initially I didn't. So you know that there's the the YouTube university out there. There's uh you know a lot of uh resources uh online to help you know learn how to do certain things, uh even when it gets down to carpentry and all that kind of stuff as well, because I've helped people build fences, you know. I would say probably my top three are furniture assembly, uh TV mounting, uh, and probably the handyman stuff.

SPEAKER_03 12:32

So um how to do the stuff you didn't know how to do. Basically, I love that though. That's that's a true house right there.

SPEAKER_05 12:44

Yeah, that's cool, that's cool. Let's say like jumping jump out of an airplane and learn how to build a parachute on the way down, kind of thing. For real.

SPEAKER_01 12:52

Like that, like that.

SPEAKER_03 12:54

So you so have you because I I've been using a lot of well, uh I haven't used TaskRabbit, I've been using ThumbTack. Um have you have you ever done like favors? I've been using Favor as of lately.

SPEAKER_01 13:05

Yeah, yeah. So I actually started out doing Favor. Um and so I I did that for maybe about six months. Um and I guess oh man, it was maybe about a year or two ago that it starts start to get really, really popular and people started to come on the platform and actually be uh runners, is what they call them. Um and the market just got so saturated. So, you know, I went from making, you know, doing you know, two or three, maybe even four sometimes, um errands within an hour or an hour and a half, down to like maybe one or two. Uh and really from that where you make your money is from tips, uh, the way I I feel. Um because once you keep factoring in gas and all that kind of stuff, you you really just you know, you're just you're just out there kind of sitting around like the taxi cab is there, right? Waiting for some of the bean uh so you can uh go get go uh run an errand. But um, yeah, because at one point, you know, man, I I I was doing it, I was like, you know what, I'm about to double dip. And I was over here waiting on the next the next errand to come in. I was over here, you know, writing up some notes for so for this other thing while I'm in the car, just sitting there chilling. And I was like, okay, the next one came through. But um, but yeah, I want to get something that was more consistent, uh, more guaranteed, because I feel like the task job is more guaranteed in a way. Um and if you go in there, you'll still see all the different providers and everything, but uh Favor just got to be really saturated, to be honest. Um they did have some pretty good enhancements towards the end, uh just on the on the user side, but um yeah. Favor's pretty unique. You know that's only in Texas, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:41

See, but this is the thing about it, because you're telling me it's saturated. So during like on weekends, I can always get a

Favor delivery saturation vs weekday opportunity

SPEAKER_03 14:49

favor like that, right? During the week, though, like when I really need somebody, because I had to get a get a key picked up uh from one of my Airbnbs, and uh he delivered it for me. But during the week, man, it seems like you'll wait 15, 20 minutes. So somebody might want to hop on favor, you might make the money. Like, I think it's during those like eight to five hours during the week, ain't nobody on there.

SPEAKER_05 15:12

Yeah. Everybody's working, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 15:14

Yeah, and I couldn't I couldn't get nobody to do what I need to do, and I'm like, dang, if I I was like, man, if I ever take off work again, man, I might have to hop on favor.

SPEAKER_05 15:26

That's cool. Uh and so how are you uh Micah told me something about you helping people um make people's uh helping people make their Airbnbs more efficient or green. How how you how you doing that?

SPEAKER_01 15:38

Oh man, yeah, we uh we actually had a conversation about this a couple weeks ago. Um so kind of in I guess in the research that I do for some of the projects I work on, we uh evaluate uh

Energy efficiency and wellness in rental properties

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especially on the multifamily projects or hotels, uh ways to um enhance the occupant experience, right? Uh so that could be through aesthetics, things of that nature. Um but on the energy efficiency side, we're starting to weave in uh wellness into that conversation as it relates to the things that impact your health uh based on the built built environment, right? So, you know what type what what's how how is the how the how is the actual space impacting you? So whether that be from the lighting, air quality, and things of that nature. And so where I think it can really come into play on the Airbnb side is um kind of finding ways to not only measure that uh but also be able to show how it impacts those uh occupants. Um so you know, one of the concepts um for for lighting um, for instance, uh it's called circadian lighting rhythm. Um and so we all have this natural rhythm or cycle, um, you know, all animals do. And so where we kind of have this rhythm, um naturally, you know, as the sun comes up, you get that natural daylight, it wakes you up in the morning, starts to decrease that melatonin production, so on and so forth as you go throughout the day. Um, you know, even you know, after you have that heavy lunch, or even if you don't have a every heavy lunch, you know, that lull that you get around 2 p.m., that's all natural. Um, and then once we start to come into the evening, but what's kind of unnatural is you know we have all this artificial light, um, and it's a certain spectrum of light that's not necessarily beneficial to you when you actually need to start to calm down or dial down for the day or for the evening. Um, and that's your more uh warm tones. Um so it almost looks like an amber kind of color. Um and so with that, we're kind of counteracting or going against our own natural rhythm or cycle. And so that's why you hear about a lot of people having uh sleep issues and things of that nature, uh, especially when it when it comes to uh the blue light that comes on your cell phone, uh things of that nature, and there's been a couple of apps that's been created to help reduce that. Um but essentially on the lighting side, what has been done is uh it's called tunable lighting or circadian lighting that basically follows the natural rhythm of the sun to be able to mimic and have more flow with your cycle uh or the rhythm rhythmic um flow of your state. Um so you have better sleep quality, things of that nature. And when it comes to you know, guest experience and just for lighting, for instance, you know, that could help uh minimize jet lag, which I know is a huge thing for travelers. A lot of people that are doing Airbnb, even in hotels as well, um uh traveling, trying to reduce that jet lag is huge, uh being able to really recover quickly, right? Um the same thing could be said about air quality. Um, so air quality does impact all of our healths um in some some ways uh more strongly than others, especially when it comes to people that may have uh more sensitivity to um uh allergens, uh asthma, and things that nature, uh, those people you know can benefit hugely from some of the indoor air quality uh strategies. So whether there be more filtration um and things that nature outside of your typical you know myrrh filters that they put in and things that nature that people don't usually you know switch out when they when they should and they get all dirty. Um but all that has an impact on your health. So uh some of it's more readily uh seen and some of it's more long-term. So uh if you're able to implement those strategies in the actual space, uh then that'll allow you to have better outcomes for people that live in that space.

SPEAKER_05 19:29

That's cool, man, because that that makes me think all automatically, like sometimes you walk into like a nice hotel or something with a lobby and it just and it just feels good. You don't know why, but I'm sure they have their researchers on it to make it just give that awesome, welcome feeling, you know, and the perfect lighting and then whatever they furnish and the smell and all that stuff. And I I never even thought about it until now that you told me that, but I'm sure they got they pay people big bucks to get that to get that feeling for people.

SPEAKER_01 19:56

Yeah, no, definitely, definitely. Um there's actually so uh uh I believe I believe it's Marriott, they're already they've already started to kind of create this model uh in a select uh number of their hotels and rooms. Uh it's called Staywell. Um and so not only about you know the lighting, air quality, things of nature, also water quality. So, you know, going beyond the Britta filters and things of nature where you have more filtration on your water that

Marriott StayWell rooms and water filtration systems

SPEAKER_01 20:24

you're not only using to consume, um, but also the water that you use to you know make your coffee with and even bathe and shower with as well. Um, so you know, some of those harmful chemicals, and uh a lot of times people don't you know necessarily look into you know some of the impacts that that may have, but at its very basic level, um you know the water quality that's more or less approved by the city uh is really the bare minimum. And there's still a lot of thresholds in terms of contaminants and things that nature that exist in that water uh that they just don't they just don't take care of. So uh it just allows you to have that extra level of filtration. Uh and you know, it I wouldn't say that you would you would immediately feel it, but I think over time, after you know, experiencing that, especially people that have homes and things of that nature, um, that'll be something that they can start to see how that starts to impact their day. So being helpful being able to feel more rested, feel more energized, and that goes a long way, right? In terms of how people are actually be able being able to be productive and live productive lives.

SPEAKER_05 21:32

That makes sense because um my wife likes to sleep with a night light. I don't like I don't like any light. You know what I'm saying? And um and I remember back in the day I used to work midnight shifts and and I I blacked out my room, my bedroom, and I just you know I didn't let like one shred of light get through. I I blacked out all the windows, the bat even the bathroom door. I put like a towel underneath and a and a towel under the main door when I closed it, and I just had the Fan going, I knocked the heck out. I got the best sleep in my life. I mean, but but if I was in there during the day, it would screw me up because then I would think it's nighttime and I would pass out again. But um, yeah, I love I mean this is this is really cool. I mean people talk about a lot of things about you know doing doing stuff for your Airbnb guests and what kind of sofa, what kind of this and that and towels. But I mean no one talks about the you know the lighting, that's huge. The lighting and the and the smell and the and the the quality, the water quality. I mean, wow, this is like next level stuff.

SPEAKER_03 22:34

Yeah, I I've been thinking about putting some plants in mine, like oxygen, things like that. They say you should have a plant in like your corner of your office, and I was thinking to do that too.

SPEAKER_01 22:43

Yeah, no, that's a good one. Yeah, there's there's definitely uh you know a lot of research based on that in terms of being able to reduce uh you know pollutants in the air. There are certain types of plants that you know take certain types of pollutants out of the air. So yeah, you can you can do it up. You can definitely do it up. Um yeah.

SPEAKER_05 23:00

Now what about like uh cannabis sativa? That'll be some for you too, but it would improve the guest experience, is uh just I'm wondering.

SPEAKER_01 23:16

Uh with a little check mark if you want that.

SPEAKER_05 23:21

So so how so how are you helping people? I mean, like uh where can they go and and and if they want like something like this, something to help their Airbnbs out.

Bipolar ionization eliminates odors in 48 hours

SPEAKER_01 23:31

Yeah, um, there's a couple of resources uh online. So Staywell actually has a product line where they sell the Stay Well.

SPEAKER_05 23:39

Oh Stay Well, okay.

SPEAKER_01 23:41

They actually have a product line. Um there are some other ones that you can get in terms of air cleaning devices and purification devices and so on and so forth. Um on the lighting side, it's a little bit more challenging because you know, while we do have, you know, the controllable lighting and the colored lighting and things of that nature, uh, you know, with the Lexa and some of the Phillips hue and all that, is not quite the same. Um you know, why you can change the color of the light, that's not necessarily the piece that actually does it. It's actually the um it's actually the the frequency of the lighting. Um so but um there's there's variations of that, and uh I would I would also recommend that people are going to be implementing something like that is they find a way to actually monitor um those levels. So one of the things that I I've done, and I haven't actually implemented the air cleaning uh in my place yet, um, but I've been trying to do a study over the past couple of months uh just tracking indoor air quality uh in my space and seeing how it varies over time. So um it's actually called um AWER, so A-I-R-W-A-R-E. And so what it does is it tracks um you know chemical concentrations, humidity, temperature, CO2, um, and um you can actually see the trend data throughout the day, it does it in like 15-minute increments, uh, and see how those levels change throughout the day. And so it's pretty spot on. So it's like you know, in the morning when I get up, take a shower, blah blah, you can see that humidity level spikes, so on and so forth, and it tapers off during the day. Same thing with CO2, um uh, and then you can see temperature levels and things that nature because one of the things that really impacts in-day air quality, especially for uh some of the older uh types of buildings and things that nature is adequate ventilation. And typically that's through uh the mechanical system or the HVAC system, uh, or if people open the windows. But if you're in Texas, it's hot in the summertime, more than likely you may not be doing that. But um I I guess I'll have you you guys, you know, maybe answer the question. What what do you think was the the best time of the year that I had the best air indoor air quality?

SPEAKER_03 25:54

Hmm.

SPEAKER_01 25:55

Maybe even this, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 25:57

The best time of year?

SPEAKER_03 25:58

I know it ain't the summer, because I mean people ain't cleaning out the uh ain't replacing them uh filters up there. I know I have it. Uh I would probably say the winter. Well you got the heat, so I would say the winter.

SPEAKER_05 26:11

Yeah, I would um I wouldn't say the spring, because that's when all the plants are having sex outside, right? So get all that stuff caught in the in the filters. Um I would go with the winter also.

SPEAKER_01 26:24

Okay. That that's that's initially what I would have thought as well, to be honest. Uh it's actually when it's hottest outside, and I'll tell you why. So typically, and obviously more advanced, so I think my apartment was probably built in the early to mid-90s, uh, but definitely with some of the newer apartment complexes built in the late uh 2000s, uh have you know more sophisticated technology and sensoring. But uh typically what's done is when the mechanical system or HVAC system runs, it brings in fresh air, right? So when the system is not running, it's not bringing in fresh air. And that is the primary way to really dilute the space so that you have quote unquote better air quality in the space. So in the summertime, the HVAC system is on more often, right? So it's cycling more often, it's bringing in more fresh air, as opposed to as opposed to those colder months of the what they call the shoulder months where you kind of don't need AC at all. Um, it's running the least. So you're not getting those air changes and fresh uh cycled air through the space. So the air becomes stagnant, CO2 builds up, so on and so forth. Uh and I saw that pretty pretty uh starkly during the you know the past winter that we had. And and again, it does depend on the person because you can be the type of person that you know never opened your windows, or you can be the type of person that has their windows open most of the time, right? Uh that does kind of have a little bit of an impact on it. Um but it was pretty interesting uh in terms of those findings.

SPEAKER_05 27:51

That is interesting. Well one thing that I think would um help our our listeners would be like, and we get this question a lot, and we see it on the forums and stuff. Sometimes they have guests that do, you know, smoke weed while they're there or they're smoke cigarettes while they're there. They ain't supposed to, but they do, and then they got a turnover, and then they got you know next guests coming through real quick. And so um, what can they do to help their house, you know, recover from that faster?

SPEAKER_01 28:18

Yeah, no, that's that's actually a really good question. Um, so that air purification system, um it's you can almost think of it as the uh ionization. I don't want to say ion ionic breeze because it's it's not that. Um I think they actually went bankrupt, if I'm not mistaken. Um because because basically their technology produced ozone, and ozone is bad for you. Oh shit. Um yeah. So it was cleaning the air, but it was killing, you know, it was slowly killing the people. But uh but with the the newer technology is called bipolar ionization. Essentially, what it does um is it takes uh the natural ions that are found in nature and it distributes those throughout the space to be able to take those uh bad particles or those bad uh pollutants out of the airstream. So that includes odors, bacteria, viruses, all the things that you know your typical filter may not catch. And so I would say on a small scale for a home, I'm thinking about a commercial uh standpoint, uh on a small scale for a home, you literally could have that whole place cycled through and odorless within like 48 hours pretty easily. Um and they've actually done this so on the so when you think about commercial buildings, um well buildings in general, um, when they move furniture into the space, it's almost like that new car smell uh that you that you have, so that the upholstery and then the car and you can smell that and it smells good, it's actually horrible for you. Uh it's it's cars it's carcinogen. It has carcinogens in it as well. Uh but that same kind of it's called uh volatile organic chemicals or VOCs, those are found in most furniture. However, some furniture is worse than others. Um, and so when they bring all that stuff, all those toxins into the space, um, those are off-gassed and people breathe that, and that's bad for you. So, what that ionization system does is it allows all that to be taken out of the space, including odors like that uh and other odors that may be in the space. So when you have people that have uh pets that come over too, same thing with the pets.

unknown 30:27

Excuse me.

SPEAKER_01 30:28

Um, so it's it's a really good system to be able to really kind of do the cleaning incognito so you're not trying to mass the smell with fragrances and things of that nature, because that's also pretty bad for you. Um all the potpourri and fibrilla stuff, that's that's it's horrible. It's good, yeah, but it's but it's horrible.

SPEAKER_03 30:48

Dang, man. My bad past guests. Killing your ass.

SPEAKER_05 30:53

Man, uh, they would um those plugins, man. I'd get we'd get to uh to do the turnovers and and they unplugged most of the plugins. They didn't like that stuff.

SPEAKER_04 31:03

Are those good for you?

SPEAKER_01 31:05

No, no. So all all those are all all they're doing is masking with with another chemical that's that's not necessarily good for you. But with that ionization system, imagine never having this this spray frag or fragrance at all and to have you know this fresh smell in your space.

SPEAKER_02 31:22

You gotta tell mahogany that, man.

SPEAKER_05 31:24

Yeah, my growing up, my mom used to spray that big old can of Lysol all over the house. I'd have to leave the house. I couldn't breathe, man. That shit was that was nasty to me. You know, but and I didn't know it was slowly killing me.

SPEAKER_02 31:37

Yeah, I can't take heavy fragrances like that. Like I have to I have to go out for a minute, too.

SPEAKER_05 31:42

Or like when uh an older woman gives you a hug and she puts all that perfume on and then you smell like that all day.

SPEAKER_03 31:48

That's that's what your grandmo at church? Oh yeah.

unknown 31:51

Damn.

SPEAKER_03 31:57

Hey, we I have a quote. What I was about to ask you, I was about to ask you, um, yeah, yeah, yeah. So we were talking about masking smells. So because you know secondhand smoke,

Charcoal and carbon filtration for trapping pollutants

SPEAKER_03 32:06

you know, the smell of it, you know, it's just terrible for you. What is the difference? Like, is there is there health benefits to marijuana, like the scent of marijuana smoke in your Airbnb?

SPEAKER_01 32:18

Oh man. I I think a lot of people would would want to believe that that is the case. Uh but um, you know, I would I would be honestly honest to say I haven't done enough research to really know whether or not that would have have a have a benefit to you, but um, you know, I have seen a lot of articles that talk about some of the benefits uh that it has to certain people and things of that nature. And um, you know, I I'd say test it out. I mean, uh, to be honest, and but again, uh like with anything, right? You want to measure, be able to measure some of those impacts, right? Because like, you know, the same the same thing I mentioned earlier about having a better guest experience, you know, what does that really mean, right? We know we can track that through revenue and so on and so forth, but actually being able to monitor, you know, in some cases in real time, uh, some of those metrics to be able to make the case. Um, you gotta you gotta be able to have that for sure.

SPEAKER_03 33:13

I I'm really interested in this because I wonder how much air quality affects like just people's moods to give you a five-star view. You know what I'm saying? The mood while they're in the place. And the reason I asked that is because I've noticed the most complaining guests come during the summertime. Huh. When it's hot. I don't know if it's the heat or if it's the because I've actually gauged this. I was like, man, why do we get but or is it just people you just have more bookings, more travelers, so you're gonna get more complaints. So it's like I don't know how to gauge it.

SPEAKER_01 33:43

Like a number, maybe numbers gained at that point.

SPEAKER_03 33:46

Exactly.

SPEAKER_05 33:46

Exactly. I think it's both of those things. Because I I have I happened to work in a section of work the other day, we didn't have AC, and yeah, I was ready to kill some of my co-workers. Whereas if if I work in a place that there's you know, nice AC, I'm I'm I'm more calm and relaxed. So I think that has a lot to do with it. And um, yeah, yeah, I don't know. But I mean you should you should provide a reefer to your guests for sure, Micah.

SPEAKER_03 34:11

Yeah, yeah, he he he'll he'll piss you off. I don't know. You're working outside the heat man, you're irritable.

SPEAKER_05 34:18

You don't you ain't trying to hear all that. So I I I've had a friend before, um, an Indian buddy said that he puts like um charcoal in each room and it's and charcoal absorbs odors. Is that true?

SPEAKER_01 34:32

Yeah, no, that is true. Um really so that's that's another that's another form. There's a diff there's a couple different ways you can do it, but um carbon filtration is kind of a an offshoot of that uh with the charcoal. Uh so what it does is you know the stones or the the the actual coal or charcoal has um you know these micro um I guess pores, if you will, uh kind of almost like basalt or whatever. Or sorry, pumice, like pumice. So all those pollutants get trapped and they kind of get sequestered in that um in that media and it can't escape, as opposed to maybe other system where all it's doing is just flushing it and pushing it around in the space and it's still there, as opposed to actually being able to trap it and it's gone, it's not coming back out, kind of thing. Um and and it really it really works well with some of those smaller particles like the pollen and so on and so forth. Um because as we know, everyone is gonna go in and put in help helper filters in their their houses and things of that nature, right? Um, those get pretty expensive, you gotta change those out. Um I think some of the more active systems uh work more immediately as well, uh, and they can you know last a little bit longer.

SPEAKER_03 35:50

Yeah, those HEPA HEPAs man, I used to I still load up on the advice filters expensive as hell.

SPEAKER_05 35:56

Like for the AC unit? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:58

Yeah, the HEPA, like the ones for the HEPA purifiers.

SPEAKER_05 36:02

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_03 36:02

Man, my mom used to buy them and she used to put them all around the house, but like, man, once it was time to get them filters, you'd be cheaper buying damn band brand new HEPA thing than the damn filter.

SPEAKER_05 36:14

Man. So like let's say um someone's doing an Airbnb and you know, I don't know, like two-bedroom little uh condo going on, and they don't got a lot of money for all that stuff. What are some like quick, you know, maybe some some little tips that they you know it won't cost a lot of money, but it'll go a long way into like keeping it, you know, keeping the air quality fresh.

SPEAKER_01 36:35

Uh yeah, I mean I would say, you know, you know,

Quick wins: clean filters and eco-friendly cleaning products

SPEAKER_01 36:40

make sure, like you like uh Michael mentioned that those filters are clean. Um because that's also going to help with airflow, right? So a lot of people don't know is you know, once they get dirty that that restricts airflow, and so you aren't able to cool the space as much, so then you get into a thermal comfort issue. So people complain about it being too hot, so on and so forth. Uh, but also, you know, I think a lot of people may not necessarily think about some of the cleaning products that the cleaners use, things that nature. Uh, so when we talk about kind of limiting some of those um those VFCs and some of those things, while it does smell nice, you know, there are tons of alternatives out there now that you know don't have any scent, that are eco-friendly, things of that nature. Uh, you could put together a cleaning protocol, which, you know, I know every cleaning service is a little different. Some of them may use their own products and so on and so forth, but you know, maybe that could become you know a niche market within cleaning for Airbnb is cleaning utilizing some of those products that are more eco-friendly, um, that aren't so harsh, right? Because I think I think maybe Michael, you mentioned before that you had somebody that said that you they they they said that you must clean with Clorox bleach or something like that before. Possibly, yeah, possibly. So, so yeah, so so things like that. I mean, um, you know, it goes a long way to just be able to use products that don't have harsh chemicals in general, uh, but still keep the place clean, right? Um, so you know, and if I would say if people have, you know, Airbnb portfolio and they want to give it a try with the air cleaning um bipolarization active system, I would say try it out. Um and just under you know, just keep track of the results and see how it's actually improving the space. Um because you know, over time you are gonna save money on some of those synth incense and all that kind of stuff that you may know otherwise.

SPEAKER_03 38:29

Yeah, see, I'm I'm interested now. I I was I'm I'm like I was saying, I'm really interested in seeing people's behavior. You know what I mean, if they're happy or you know, because happy, yes, five-star review.

SPEAKER_04 38:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 38:45

And you had talked about you you work on uh aesthetics of Airbnbs too. How do you do that?

SPEAKER_01 38:51

Uh not aesthetics. I I just mentioned, you know, at least in my role in the corporate, in my corporate job, they focus on aesthetics for buildings and things that nature uh as it relates to the whole occupant experience. Um I mean, you know, I can't really speak too much on aesthetics. I mean, uh there's a ton of people out there that have uh had different schemes and things that nature on how to set up a space, and you know, they have these people now that do staging from top to bottom for certain spaces. Um, you know, a kind of a rule of thumb, which I'm sure you guys already know and some of your listeners already know, is you know, to kind of have a similar um theme or flow throughout the space. So I've seen a lot of people try to, you know, throw a lot of junk in the space and stuff on the walls that don't really make sense and kind of fill the space off whack. And so when you think about some of the vibes uh that that could be putting off for the occupants, uh that could have an impact as well, right? Um especially when it comes and and there's been some research done on this as well in terms of uh visual acuity or visual uh stimulation uh for occupants um and how that impacts your brain waves, whether it be for you know thinking more deeply or things of that nature, um, you know, maybe you have a dedicated space within your space for for that. Um not saying you gotta have a meditation room, but um those those could be some aspects you could have as well.

SPEAKER_05 40:13

Nice, nice. Yeah, I mean I I definitely notice it when if you see uh like a picture of a house that they're selling, it's not staged, and then one and then the same house staged well, you're like, wow, that's a badass house. You know, it really, really does something to your mind.

SPEAKER_03 40:28

You selling in the fur you selling the furniture with this?

SPEAKER_05 40:31

Yeah, it does that.

SPEAKER_03 40:33

Right up.

SPEAKER_05 40:34

You've had that question asked before, right?

SPEAKER_03 40:36

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll definitely sell the furniture at 20% markup.

SPEAKER_05 40:42

Well, that's good for them. They don't gotta buy it and move it and go to the store and all that stuff. That's perfect. 20%, that's nothing.

SPEAKER_03 40:49

So, Mike, have you finally because I met you at an Airbnb mutt meetup, have you finally hopped on the Airbnb train or you're still still still scoping it out?

SPEAKER_01 40:59

Oh man, to be honest, yeah, I I'm still I'm still scoping it out. Um, you know, I think that I may be making some moves in the fall. Um but yeah, I I mean I think it's a great opportunity. A lot of what you mentioned before about you know the Dallas market being really saturated, um, you know, I've I've kind of taken that into account and starting to look at some of the other outlying areas. Um but yeah, um, especially for a lot of people, because as we know, when you talk about the share economy and other ways to kind of hack uh you know, your nine to five and find different other side hustles, things of the nature. I think in the long in the in the grand scheme of things, you know, real estate in general, especially with Airbnb, does offer the greatest opportunity for you to really scale uh your time and efforts, right? So that's one of the things that you know starting to necessarily get out of task grabbing, but at with that you're really trading your time for dollars, right? Uh as opposed to really trading, you know, time for time or or money for time and things of that nature. Um and so I think everybody should be striving to get to that level where they're not trading their time for dollars, right?

SPEAKER_03 42:11

So it sounds like he he he has see he has Dave Ramsey and Robert Kiyosaki all in one. You see what I'm saying? See, so he's balanced, he's balanced.

SPEAKER_05 42:23

Right, right, right. Now, would you would you go in as a like a co-host at first just to get your feet wet, or would you you're gonna try to buy a place first?

SPEAKER_01 42:32

Uh I'm gonna try and buy a place first.

SPEAKER_05 42:34

Okay, all in right away.

SPEAKER_01 42:37

Yeah, yeah. I I kind of ran the numbers already. I've I've actually seen a couple spots that I I would want to move on, but I I didn't do that at the time. Uh I definitely would want to wait until, you know, not until the market goes down, but at least the the renting market. So the summertime is the worst time to really buy uh sorry, rent. Actually, I'm I'm gonna rent a space, not buy.

SPEAKER_05 42:58

So Oh, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_01 43:00

Uh so I'm gonna rent rent another apartment um and kind of do it do it that way, uh, where I'm doing Airbnb out of those apartments and just start to grow uh organically that way. Um and I've already got some people on board uh in terms of a team, uh uh in terms of cleaning staff, who's gonna stage it, so on and so forth. Uh really I just need to pull the trigger, to be honest.

SPEAKER_03 43:22

Hey, you don't have to hook me up with your staging team.

SPEAKER_05 43:29

That is cool, man. Um but you will I think you'll have an edge, because from what all you know about making it feel good and making it smell good and aesthetically pleasing, I think I mean that's because you see the ones, I mean, when you if you 'cause I I stay at a lot of Airbnbs and so I you search 'em and and oh man, the ones that really pop are the ones that are really nicely done, decorated well, and of course they're always booked up and they charge more. I mean, it's just like uh you just gotta it's all about aesthetics, man. I mean, from just looking at a computer, but I'm sure when you get there too. It's uh and you look at the reviews, people are like, wow, this place is really nice, you know, sparkling clean, all this stuff. And um, yeah, I mean, you I think you'll have a big advantage. So stay out of the Dallas market, man.

SPEAKER_03 44:12

You're messing up our game over here. Which markets are you looking at?

SPEAKER_01 44:18

Uh, so I'm looking at uh kind of the I guess Irving, Arlington area. I'm also looking in the Garland area as well. Uh, and I knew I do know about some of the bans and restrictions and things of that nature in Arlington. Uh but uh I think I'm gonna go ahead and take the risk and see how see how that plays out, to be honest. Uh I like that, man. Take the risk.

SPEAKER_03 44:43

He has some strong lower intestinal opportunities that he's about to come out to.

SPEAKER_05 44:49

Yeah. Well it's a it's a calculator risk because he'd be renting a renting an apartment and then turning into Airbnb. If it don't work out, hey, you're on the hook for a year's worth of lease, right? Instead of uh buying a house for $200,000 and putting it making it an Airbnb and they shut you down, then oh snap.

unknown 45:07

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 45:08

It's a calculator risk.

SPEAKER_03 45:10

I might do that, man. You're gonna get an arbitrage on all the two football season's about to come up. You know, that's a good idea.

SPEAKER_04 45:17

That's a good idea.

SPEAKER_05 45:18

Yeah, I'm gonna have to holler at you, Micah. I told you my situation coming up, so I'm gonna have to holler at you on the next um on our oh, on our um, what's it called episode? Our Patreon episode. Oh, yeah, yeah. We'll talk all about it. We got a new Patreon set up, and we're gonna talk about um, you know, Airbnb Underground stuff that y'all all love to hear about so much. So um, yeah, you check it out.

SPEAKER_03 45:40

Yeah, it'll be some good episodes.

SPEAKER_05 45:43

We'll leave a link on the show. Oh man. Um so so like so you do, okay. You're all about the hustle, Michael, right? Michael or Mike? Doesn't matter. Either way. Uh Mike, yeah. Mike, okay. All right. Ah, it's definitely Mike on the screen, yeah. So some of these some of these um listeners, they might have a little bit of debt. They might have been where you are with student loans and stuff. How would you um they're like, man, this is getting overwhelming. What would you what would you what advice would you give them first? You know, how how do they just start getting things better? What what could they do?

SPEAKER_01 46:24

Uh oh man, you said one of the key words, to be honest, is start. Um it it really um it really does take uh courage, I

Advice for debt: start, hustle, and have a roadmap

SPEAKER_01 46:35

think. Um because a lot of people um you know think that you know there aren't ways to to improve their situation, right? Um, you know, especially once I started doing TaskGrabbit and some of this other stuff, I was like, man, you know, for anybody that wants to, you know, have a better situation or or or find you know additional revenue, even if it's outside of Task Grabbit or or Airbnb or Uber or whatever, there are ways, right? So you have to be able to find out what works best for you, what you're good at, um, and then be able to help and monetize that and grow it and scale it, right? Um and so I know a lot of people have started to kind of condone uh you know hustle in general and things that nature, and I think you know it's it is about hustle because you have to have you know that grind mentality, get it done, so on and so forth, being able to do things that other other people may not be willing to do, uh, so that you can have a better life later for your family and so on and so forth, and reaching those targets or goals. Um, but I I think it really does come down to having kind of a plan or a roadmap, right? Um, because people can you know be doing it just for the money, right? And not necessarily have a target, and that's the easiest way to give up or end up giving up. Um when things get tough or you know, something you know sets you back or whatnot. And so really having always having something to really pull you forward. Um, I think, you know, just in my life in general, uh whether it's on a weekly basis or a monthly basis, I always have always have some type of you know, you know, event, some type of targets or goals that I'm trying to hit, you know, every week that's pulling me forward uh and have something to look forward to. Um But you know, especially for those that are coming out of college, you know, I would say this is probably the best opportunity that you have uh to really be aggressive um and um you know take risks to be honest. Um, you know, within those first five to ten years after you graduate, so on and so forth, or even the people that you know may not uh take the traditional route where they go to school and they just come straight out of high school uh and start start working. Um you know, a lot of people come from different backgrounds, different situations. So, you know, I understand if you have a family and things of that nature, but you know, one of the things that you know I've heard one of my mentors say before is you know, if there's somebody that has been in your situation that has done it, then you have no excuse. Uh that it is possible, right? Um so understanding that fact, and and I think that's also back to the courage part is understanding that having the belief that you can do it and it can happen, right? I think so many people, you know, psych themselves out of what's possible. Um and you should just get out there and start trying it.

SPEAKER_05 49:29

So nice, man. Some good advice right there. Great advice right there. So I hope that that really helps out some of our listeners out there, us included. You know, uh really motivational, man. Uh so you have your own podcast channel. Uh I'm yeah, your own podcast, correct?

3P Theory podcast: People, Planet, Profit

SPEAKER_01 49:46

I do, I do.

SPEAKER_05 49:47

And what's it called?

SPEAKER_01 49:48

Uh 3P Theory. So the 3P uh stands for uh People, Planet, and Profit. Uh so it's almost it's very similar to, you know, if you've heard of the triple bottom line kind of thing when it comes to sustainability. Uh it's kind of sitting around that ideology. Um really it's an opportunity for you know people in my industry, people in that may not be in my industry to learn about sustainability and different strategies uh that they can use. And it at least right now, it's kind of more focused on uh commercial buildings and things of that nature. Uh so for architects, engineers, construction, so on and so forth, contractors. Uh, but even I'll throw in some more practical stuff that people can do in their everyday lives. Uh we've got somebody coming that's going to be talking about recycling and so on and so forth. Um, so actually, do you guys do recycling for your Airbnbs? Is that a thing?

SPEAKER_03 50:39

I thought I'm learning for my Airbnb. I don't know what they'd be doing. I don't be over there.

SPEAKER_05 50:48

That's a good, that's a good, that's a good question, man. Because I've had, you know, I've had like a couple, maybe two guests ever that have asked, um, oh, by the way, which one which one do we put the recycling in? Blah blah blah. I've never requested them to do it, but then I said, oh, you know, in the green, in the green bin, you can throw the you know bottles and stuff in there, or bot, you know, you can recycle in there. But I've only like one or two ever in like a hundred guests have ever asked that.

SPEAKER_03 51:15

You know what? I've noticed since I've lived in Texas, I've been living in Texas about six years. Nobody down here recycles. You know, I'm from the I'm originally from the Pacific Northwest, and they give you a whole recycling kit, like the paper bottles, like I'm serious, like every Thursday you sell you recycle, and then I think it's every Monday or something you got trash. But yeah, that's all I was wondering. I think people recycle. Where the city or the state enforces it, then they'll just naturally do it.

unknown 51:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 51:47

Are you big on me recycling, Mike?

SPEAKER_01 51:50

Uh I do. And to and to be honest, um, you know, when I first started in the whole sustainability, energy efficiency world, uh, I wasn't, you know, walking the walk and talking the talk. Um it but you know, more recently uh I started to recycle, so I I do everything from paper, plastic, can so on and so forth. Uh we I also don't have a lot of waste either. So it's kind of the best of both worlds, but uh I kind of recycle on my own. They they don't pick up recycling, they don't have a special bin here at the apartment complex. I kind of do it on my own. Once it fills up, there's a there's a school down the street, I can't remember the name of it, but uh they have a recycling bin, and I just toss it in there.

SPEAKER_03 52:29

So whenever people come to my house and I ask, why do you have two trash cans? Like one's for recycle, man.

SPEAKER_05 52:38

Yeah, man. Um that's really cool. Uh yeah, we we appreciate you hopping on our show, man. You've been this is this is really this has been an enlightening show. You've you've you know uh go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 52:50

I I have one more question for you. Because you said you do TaskRabbit. What all do you do now? Have you ever done Uber, Toro? Like, where are you now with your share economy and where do you plan on going?

SPEAKER_01 53:04

So I have not done Toro as a uh as a host, at least. I've used it personally. I love it. I love the platform by the way.

SPEAKER_03 53:13

Really? How was how was your experience?

SPEAKER_01 53:15

Oh man. Um so actually two weekends ago, um me and my girlfriend just kind of had like a staycation thing, and uh I rented a Corvette. We just kind of drove around, had fun that weekend, did a lot of stuff. Um it was nice, man.

SPEAKER_03 53:31

Um how much did that vet hit you for? If you don't mind me asking.

SPEAKER_01 53:37

Uh it was like maybe 150 a day.

SPEAKER_03 53:40

150, 160 a day. It's not bad. That's against everything Dave Ramsey, but I probably would have dropped it.

SPEAKER_01 53:47

Yeah, it was it was a it was a little uh a little splurge, um just to you know, celebrate a couple things we have been working on and uh just kind of have a fun weekend.

SPEAKER_05 53:57

I think Dave wouldn't have been bad on that one. I mean, because it's better than him buying or leasing a car just to have a flashy car. He just rented it for a few, you know, for a week and and there you go.

SPEAKER_03 54:07

Your credit card.

SPEAKER_05 54:12

But he pays it off every month.

SPEAKER_03 54:13

I don't matter today. No, but the reason why I was saying like with the um the Turo thing, because I actually have a subject I wasn't gonna talk about on Patreon, but I'll talk about it here. I was gonna say, like, because I just bought a car. I don't think I don't think to I think Turo the only way to really make it grow, you have to rent out things like Porsches, Corvettes, Lamborghinis, swing shots, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 54:38

Yeah, no, for sure. I I don't see how some people are making it because they've got some nice cars too for $40 a day and so on and so forth. I'm like, man, I mean, maybe if you just have an extra car lying around, but when you think about insurance and everything else, I mean it's it's it's just pennies in my in my opinion. And and the guy that I actually rented the Corvette from, he had three of them. So he rents out three of those as a part of his his his um his hustle or whatever that he's doing on Turo. What year were they? I think it was the one I did was 2018. I think he also had a 2017.

unknown 55:14

Damn.

SPEAKER_01 55:15

So how much they go like how much they go go for though? Like a 2018 vet go for what 60? Yeah, yeah, about 60, 70, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 55:22

So we probably his car note, what, four or five? Huh? His car note was probably about four or five hundred, right?

SPEAKER_05 55:30

Yeah, eight hundred.

SPEAKER_03 55:32

But if you rent it for 150 a day, 10 days, well, they take 20% though, Toro.

SPEAKER_04 55:37

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 55:38

Yeah, you're right. You might just be making penny.

Luxury car mileage caps: the $0.90 per mile secret

SPEAKER_03 55:40

Yeah, you gotta I think I think that but I think that's the route to go. You gotta have like a luxury car, you know, because the reason I said I was really gonna say Toro can't compete, because like right now we got a rental car out there, we got a 2019 focus outside of my truck's in the shop, but we got the focus for free because we just used our reward points and just got a free focus, you know, for five days, four or five days.

SPEAKER_05 56:02

That's cool. That's cool.

SPEAKER_01 56:03

I mean, for instance, I even used Toro to uh rent a truck um you know for one of our non one of the nonprofits uh profits I work with um to do to haul some equipment. And uh we actually used a two row truck rather than using a U-Haul truck or using a um uh sorry, U-Haul pickup truck or a uh Lowe's or Home Depot truck because it when the math worked out it was actually cheaper doing it that way.

SPEAKER_03 56:25

Oh wow. Wow, that might be that might be the lick right there.

unknown 56:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:30

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 56:32

We had a two-row guy on. I'm just real interested in it, you know. I'm going to see somebody's PL.

SPEAKER_01 56:37

And one more piece on the luxury vehicles, and I actually had to do a little bit of research and go through a couple options, but I think where they make their money for the people that are maybe like maybe doing traveling and things of that nature, is they get you on the miles. So some of those have a mileage cap of 100 miles. I've even seen some of them have a mileage cap of 50 miles that come with rental. Yes. And it makes sense on the luxury vehicles, right? Because you they don't want you putting all the wear and tear on their cars and so on and so forth. And so uh and the and the rates actually change too on how much they charge per mile. So I saw one that was 50 to 60 cents per mile driven over the 50 or the 100, and I saw another one that was like 90 cents per mile. Almost a dollar per mile over the mileage limit.

SPEAKER_03 57:24

Dang, I guess you can't. Yeah, okay. I didn't I knew there had to be a way to like make some money up in there. Okay. So you have kids dropping a dollar a mile, man.

SPEAKER_05 57:34

You'll see some homies pushing pushing their buddies' ride down to the club, right? So they won't be wasting no miles. That's a Turo shit. Um one more question. Is global warming real? Oh man. I knew that one was coming.

SPEAKER_03 57:53

He was trying to get off before he had to answer.

SPEAKER_01 57:58

Um so I I say yes, and a lot of the research uh suggests that it is

Global warming, coastal investments, and buildings' 40% carbon footprint

SPEAKER_01 58:06

as well. Um now, in terms of the the scale or how it impacts you know future economies and so on and so forth, and the temperature sea level rise, uh, is all still debatable in my opinion. Um because I think at the at the speed that we're getting doing the research, collecting that data, uh, it's a moving target, right? It's always changing. Um and so you know, one of one of the things, and I was actually talking about this yesterday, um, because somebody had made a comment that, you know, as as we know, according to some of the research, you know, with sea level rise, most of our coastal cities will be underwater, you know, in the next, you know, 50 to 75 years, right? Wow, to some degree, uh, especially in the low-airing, low-lying areas like New Orleans, so on and so forth. Um, but they said, you know, if global warming existed, or sorry, if global warming existed, you know, why would these banks be investing these millions and billions of dollars in all this real estate, you know, like in Miami and all these other coastal cities? And when you think of, I thought about it at first, I was like, man, you know what? That's true. But then I thought again, I was like, you know what, at the end of the day, they're really only concerned about the short-term gains, right? So even if they knew that it was going to happen, you know, hundreds of years down the line, they're only incentivized to really care about, you know, the the short the shorter term as it relates to the the larger impact. Um and that's where I feel like a lot of the work that I do on my corporate job comes into play uh in helping reducing some of the carbon emissions that impact that. Um, you know, buildings account for over 40% uh the global carbon emissions. Um and so whether that whether that relates to the emissions that are used to actually build and construct those facilities, the materials, so on and so forth, or the actual energy consumption, um, you know, kind of what I do is find ways to really minimize that, or in some cases, when we talk about net zero buildings uh that use as much energy uh as they're producing on site through solar, wind, so on and so forth, uh really has a huge impact. Uh but to come back and circle around your question, yes, I I do I do believe that that is that is true.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:24

Okay, man. Putting yourself out there. Well, thanks again, Mike, for hopping on our show. We really appreciate it. Where can folks find you?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:36

Definitely. Uh people can find me. Um so my website for the podcast is 3ptheory.com.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:42

Is that the spelled out or with the number three?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:45

Oh, so that's the number three, the letter P in theory.com.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:52

3ptheory.com. Cool. All right, man. We well, thanks for hopping on. Thanks for all the knowledge you're dropping, and we hope to see you again soon at the next meetup.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:02

Definitely look forward to it. Thanks again, guys.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:04

Yeah, man, definitely. I gotta get with you about the uh Instagram stuff. We'll talk.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:11

For sure, for sure. Well, this was episode 94 of the Livelet Thrive. And um, pretty good, pretty good app, Micah.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:18

Yeah, he had a pretty good app. We had our boy Michael Brown on, straight out the DFW, Texas area. Um, but yeah, it's been a good episode. And you can catch us on IG at Livelet Thrive. You can email us liveletrive at gmail.com. You can call us 469-530-0239. I've been updating all our Patreon, all our YouTube stuff, but I knew that.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:42

Speaking of the Patreon, yeah, we have the uh the Patreon up and running, or it's getting up and running. And so, you know, throw a little bread at us and you get access to all these cool apps that me and Micah do, and we just BS the whole time and and and really dig in, and a lot of cuss words fly around. So if you like that kind of stuff, uh go check it out. The Patreon, we'll put a link for it.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:00

Yeah, yeah. We don't just BS around, we give out million dollar ideas.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:04

Oh, that yeah, that too.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:06

That's the best part. But yeah, this is LLT, and we are out later. Peace.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:15

Thank you for tuning in to this week's episode of Live Let Thrive. Be sure to tune in next week for all the latest in the world of Airbnb and all that entails. Bye bye.