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Welcome to Live Let Thrive, a podcast about the Airbnb life, the share economy, and everything in between. Here are your hosts, Micah and Steve.

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Hello, hello, hello. And welcome back to another exciting episode of Live Let Drive. What is up, Micah Man? I'm chilling, Stevie Stacks. How you doing?

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I'm good, man. Hustling every day. Trying to be like you.

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I'm trying to slow down.

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Trying to yeah, right. I believe it when I see it. Uh, this is episode 176 of your favorite Airbnb B RBO, TiroLyft,

Erica Reiner introduction - eco-friendly design in LA

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all that share economy jazz podcast in the world. And we have a special guest, Micah.

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Who we got?

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Uh, Miss Erica Reiner, the founder and design principal of EcoMethod. Did I say that right? Let's do this again. Erica is the founder and design principal of EcoMethod Interiors, the premier eco-friendly, non-toxic interior design firm in Los Angeles, California. Erica has demonstrated experience designing short-term rental properties and a strong background in design physic psychology. Wow, these are big words you're throwing at me, Erica. You're nailing it. Keep going. Yeah, I nailed it. Erica could add value to your STR owner listenership by talking about how much more money STR owners can make by investing in high impact interior design. Welcome aboard, Erica.

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Thank you so much. I almost said thrive with you guys because it I was like, it looked like it was an invitation.

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I was like, should I do it? No, no. Yeah, let's do it. Let's do it.

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Live let thrive. So much fun. So much fun. How are you doing, Erica?

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I'm really good. I've been looking forward to this one chatting with you guys. Um, and I listened to a previous episode you guys did where you had on um a host slash decorator who was getting into it. So that was exciting. And I hope to expand on that and add a little bit to it and um hopefully for provide some validity value to your listeners.

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Now, would that be Sarah that you're talking about?

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I think it was, yeah.

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Yeah, Sarah Gladwell. I gotta hook, I gotta introduce y'all. She's she's really cool. Y'all y'all hit it off real good. She's our designer over here in the Dallas Fort Worth area.

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Yeah, she said some things that I wanted to um that I agreed with and wanted to expand upon.

The 20% revenue lift from professional design

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So that's cool.

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What are those things that you want to expand upon?

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Well, one thing in particular that I remember was her saying something along the lines of like she knows anecdotally just from like seeing the work that she does, how much better properties do when they're designed well. Um, and now she just wants to collect that data. And I have just started to do that. Um, and from a couple different places, and then you know, with my own projects as well. So that is why I'm here. I'm here to make the case that people should be investing in their design as a part of setting up their business properly.

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Cool. How did you get into design?

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I got into design kind of as like a what do you call it? Not like mid-career change, but like early mid-career change, I guess. Um I had studied and worked in the environmental field for a really long time, and I did a decorating certificate sort of just like for fun. Um, and had always really been into it, didn't think anything of it. And then maybe it was like six or seven years ago, all these people around me had started their own businesses and it kind of like blew my mind. I was like, I don't think we were allowed to do that. I'm not an old white man. Um, and then it kind of just like blew my mind. I was like, okay, maybe I can do this too. And I started slowly um building my design portfolio, and then I realized I really wanted to bring along that eco-friendly part of me in my identity, so I um sort of merged the two together. So I do interior design and I figure out ways to go about that in an eco-friendly way for each project, and um I love helping other businesses as well as a business person first. Um, you know, I know all the blood, sweat, and tears you put into it, so I just want to help other people succeed.

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I I got a question because that sounds amazing, actually. Um, the eco-friendly part. So a lot of hosts are like, okay, I'm gonna set up a place, I gotta spend five to 10 G's for a one-bedroom, I don't know, whatever it is, you know, and um eco-friendly. Ah, that sounds expensive. But but like I see behind you, it looks really cool. Is that is that my favorite thing? Reclaimed wood? Is that I love reclaimed wood?

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Yes, I'll make a small distinction in that that's salvaged. So the wood's never been used as anything else before, which is what reclaimed is, and then salvaged is that was like a regular, you know, I always forget, I think it's an oak tree, just that had to be cut down here on Los Angeles, and so there's salvagers that have take the trees that have to be chopped down in urban areas for whatever reason. Maybe it's like gonna fall over or hurt someone or something. And instead of being chipped and put into a landfill, which is what normally would happen, they salvage them and turn it in, and then I then I buy them and say, make me a shelf for my bar area.

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Beautiful. And and you would think, you know, like that's equal friendly because you're not you're not gonna do something from Wayfair, IKEA. It's it's already it's from a tree that fell down, or you they you know, they pulled it off of and it looks amazing.

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Absolutely, and um, I could definitely we can definitely get into this now or later whenever you want, but I have um two ways, one for the high-end market, one for the low end market that we can go green.

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So nice, your your low-end market. Like, what are your prices on your low end market?

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Like, how much does it cost to outfit a one-bedroom or something? I think you guys hit the nail on the head. I think it's around 10 grand on the low end.

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Okay, and what's like a high end?

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I think it's gonna be 15 to 20.

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Okay. Now, here goes the question because this is what you just said.

$10,000 to $20,000 budgets for one-bedroom units

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You said uh you've kind of gauged like how much more revenue you can see between that low end and high end. What has been like the revenue you've seen between like, hey, this is a twenty thousand dollar one bed, one bath versus the 10,000 one bed, one bath.

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Okay, well um first, the first sort of data set I have is internally from are you guys familiar with Beyond Pricing?

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Oh, yeah.

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Okay, so cool. We just gave them a shout out. Um, one of their people. I am so sorry if you can hear the ice cream man in this background. Uh hopefully we can cut that out there.

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Like okay, good.

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They are aggressive here. Um anyway, so the uh okay, the yes, so the data set he did one of the um operations folks there did internally, found that you can get 20 more with a well-designed space return on your investment than one left to their own devices. And that breaks down into two parts. So the first part is because just it's exactly what you think it would be. More attractive photos is a more attractive listing, is more clicks, is more algorithm algorithm exposure. That's a hard word to say, and um aka more demand, so higher occupancy rate. So that's one um part one. Part two is the psychological aspect, which I'm really into. So we have seen through this internal data set and another data set that I'll talk about in a minute, where a design

Design psychology and guest reviews drive pricing power

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that's been professionally done with all of our you know, tips and tricks and um experience is just gonna result in a better experience for the renter or the um guest, I should say. And you're gonna get a better review. And when hosts go from an average of a four-star review to four and a half star, they're able to increase their prices 20% over their competitors. And I have some more proof for the Ford for the um psychological um experience and the reviews, because a scholarly journal who published this in a peer-reviewed um article found that besides cleanliness, all of the top most commonly used words that guests use when leaving a positive review all have to do with design and decor. There's like 30 of them. I won't read them, but you just give you an idea: beautiful, decorate, charm, art, decor, style, unique, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So um, we can really tell that it does make a big impression on people's subconscious and if they're going to, you know, come back to that same place and rebook and how that's going to impact the review, which impacts the ROI. So there you go. That's my breakdown.

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Nice. Yeah. That was good.

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That was a good good. I'm glad because I'm a I'm a big sciencer. Like I said, I worked in the you know environmental science industry before this, and I'm always looking for you know the data to back up my stuff. And one of the things that Sarah was saying is like she she knew and I know that like how big of a difference it can make on a property. Um, but it's really hard just to say that anecdotally. So I'm really glad to be able to find these like little bits of information and have, you know, proof in that pudding because I'm definitely, you know, a proponent of um of helping, you know, I don't want anyone to leave 20% on the table, that's for sure.

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I love it. I love it. So you can design a place that's eco-friendly, looks beautiful, and it doesn't even cost that much more than ordering everything from Wayfair or something like that, right?

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I would say if you want, there's there's definitely ways to incorporate the eco-friendly

Eco-friendly sourcing - high-end non-toxic vs. budget pre-loved

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thing. Some of it might be between five to 10% more. So uh for the like the non-toxic stuff. So that kind of takes us into the high-end versus the low-end clients and how you're going to market it or or use that kind of eco-friendly um thing, or if you want to do the responsible thing. So for the higher-end market, um, you can buy a lot of healthier products and materials and market it as better for chemically sensitive people, of which there are a lot, and a lot of people starting to pay attention to that. Um, there's some other things you can do along those lines, you know, maybe like include an air purifier in the space and you know, only have low chemical cleaning products and, you know, do the whole thing that way besides the design. Um, but that's for the higher end. And then on the um lower scale of things, it's it's so budget friendly and really easy these days. It's not like, you know, your grandma's garage sale anymore to find pre-loved, um, gently used items that you're gonna get for a fraction of the price and that are gonna be super, you know, modern and contemporary. They don't have to all be like vintage styles through applications like Facebook Marketplace and Facebook, you know, groups buy, sell, trade, um, as well as those apps like Offer Up and Um Nextdoor. And there's one more I always forget it's like Offer Up, but you get the idea. Um, so that's how I do it on the on the lower budget end of things.

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Now, I have a question. So, like you, you like let's how long does one of your designs take to you know get all that stuff together and get everything in there and get it up and running?

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Great

Timeline: one month planning, one month execution

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question. Um, it can take anywhere. Well, first of all, a lot of that depends on the clients. Like, how fast are you getting back to us? How fast can you make decisions? How much control are you willing to let go of? All of that kind of stuff. Um, and then on if you want to get higher quality items, some of those things are made to order. So that can take normally like four to eight weeks. Um, now in COVID craziness, that's another story. So let's just assume moving forward, we get back to normal because those lead times went even longer. Um, so anything that's custom made is definitely gonna take at least four weeks on the short end and then on the long end, yeah, like eight, 10 weeks. Um, but then those things that are already done and whether they are pre-loved or whether they are new, um, then that's a little bit quicker. So as far as getting you all the steps in my process, which includes like the floor plans, the 3D models, the concept, the purchase proposals, all that kind of stuff. Say all that pre-preps work takes about a month, especially with approvals and back and forth and revisions and all that kind of thing. Um, and then the actual actual execution that's variable as well. So, yeah, how long are things taking? Let's call it another month. Um, on the quick end of things, a couple months.

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Nice. Now, and yeah, and I know Omica asked that is because a lot of us um, you know, arbitragers, Airbnbers, time is money. So we so we want to get, you know, let's say we get a building and they say we can do five units there. I we want those up and running like within a week or two. Now, I see it also, I see how how your model would work great if I bought this beautiful house and the countryside like, man, I really want to go all out on it and you know, and do the eco-friendly thing. I wouldn't mind waiting, you know, a couple months to get it all done. But is there is there a solution to be eco-friendly, semi-wayfair and and and to in a fast in a faster manner?

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Yes, there's always ways to do that. And I provide, I'm not sure what other designers do, but for as far as like the ethical and the green stuff, I provide my clients what's called a green custom green guide. And I have in there my guidelines of the goals that I want to try and achieve for how I'm gonna intelligently source and incorporate these alternatives into the um entire sourcing part of the project and those goals. So I kind of it's part art, part science. I think about the project holistically and all the goals that it has, including the deadlines that we might have, and think about okay, what can I achieve that's gonna be a little bit better, a little bit lighter of a footprint, and incorporate it in in a way that makes sense to the budget, the timeline, all that kind of stuff. So I never throw out the project needs just to accommodate um some of these other principles. I just find a way to braid it all together, and that's kind of the method of my name, eco method interior. So that's kind of how I look at the project holistically. And then for those, yeah, for those really quick turnarounds, there's always solutions to that, like I said, that can be worked through and into the project. And I would say then that that means, you know, get ready to engage someone, get ready to engage um a designer, your designer, when you know you're about to like press play and you have other things to get ready in general. So you have like, you know, you're gonna be doing all the million other things that you need to get ready and set to get this unit up and running, um, all the other little bits and pieces that are not necessarily design related, but the comfort and um, you know, guest experience things that you have to buy and implement and all those kinds of things. So as you're getting everything else ready, get you know, have someone locked and loaded who and you've already, you know, you can approve quickly and get everything going, because it'll probably work out in about the same amount of time.

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Now, with with like let's say the lead times like four weeks or however, like you said, do you do you are the those people are those usually houses that they own that they're doing that with that doing that in, kind of like how Steve was alluding to?

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Not always. It can be um sometimes, yes, for sure. And especially if you have more time, you know, to work with, or you know, like you were going to arbitrage during month X, like then you can start the process earlier. Um, so it it is totally dependent on your individual situation. I would say the earlier you can bring someone in in the process the better. Um, and but yeah, renters can absolutely do so much to a space without compromising some of those trickier things, like um, you know, that they might be worried about their walls or um, you know, their spend or whatever it might be. Um and I certainly think it's worth it for you know arbitraging as well.

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Yeah. I I what I one thing I've been doing to kind of cut costs on arbitraging is I've been looking at kind of like

Investment mindset - it's not get-rich-quick

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doing rental furnitures, but like on places that I own, I like to do the all-out interior design because I feel like it's more of an investment. So that that's what I'm I would look like. That's when I would like call you like, hey, go do the 20,000 four months to four weeks, not four months, four weeks thing. And I think it'd be like a real, real big return on investment for that's just a little tip for people as well.

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A hundred percent. And one thing I really want to like stress is you know, this is these people getting into this. I mean, you guys are doing it as a as a business or certainly as a side business. Um, this is not necessarily like no one's promised you that this is a get rich quick thing. This is uh an investment and a smart business plan thing. So you have to treat it like that. And you're not treating it like um, you know, like a hobby or you know, how much cash can I this week put in my pocket if you really want to see a longevity and sustainability in terms of the length of the business and how much you're gonna get on return and investment, just think of this as any other investment tool that you're going to use to set up your business for success in the long term. So that is um, you know, something I like to remind people of when they're, you know, pushing back on on hiring a professional. It's like, you know, that's kind of how like I approached bookkeeping and my own business. It was like, I guess I could do it and do it myself. I don't know if I want to spend it and maybe I'll make a mistake and it really sucks and I hate it. It's like I guess I could do it, or I could hand it off to someone and I'm gonna be way better off in the long run. Um, so it's kind of like that.

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And because I know you're in LA, right? I am so yeah, with you being in LA, I know you have higher prices than that, right?

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What do you mean?

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So 10,000 here that I guess 10,000 on one bedroom is kind of a lot, but I would see think think with places like being in LA, you have a little bit, well, not a little bit, a lot more competition. So I'm I would be thinking people be willing to go 2030 on a one-bedroom, one bedroom. Yeah, okay. That's what I was thinking.

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Yeah, I mean, everyone has to know their market, and I can help, you know, look at those comps. I'm gonna be looking at their comps a little bit too and seeing like, A, what are they charging and what does it look like? And how much are they asking a night? And you know, how then overall if our budget is X, like, you know, how might long might that take to get that back, that that investment. Um, so I look into that a little bit, but I certainly think people need to do their due diligence. That's that's a tough word too, and uh, you know, come up and have that have that budget ready to go as a part of this pre-planning.

SPEAKER_03 20:19

Cool. Now, do you only do short-term rentals or are you designed for all kinds of houses?

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All kinds of things. So um I I do residential and you know, pre-pandemic commercial, which is like anything from offices to restaurants, all that kind of stuff, and still do can't those are my favorite, so I can't wait to get back. Um, and um the on-the-investment side too, and then within the investment world, not just short-term rentals, but um, you know, like uh multi-family apartment complex, uh lobbies and um unit refurbishments and all that kind of stuff, too. So I actually love having different kinds of projects.

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No, there's a question because you said you do commercial, uh, and we were just we this kind of it's off, it's on topic, but it's off topic, but a little bit on topic with everything going on with the pandemic and like with commercial like going on, you know, a lot of commercial took a dip. What what spaces in commercial are you seeing having the most demand for your like interior design right now?

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Right now, um well, for me personally, not much. I'd love to I'd love to hear a few more uh crickets than I am right now. Um, but I have been looking at co-working spaces. Um, and they're so like now that people might be more so working at home, but they need a once a day, you know, once a week, you know, time in the office or group meeting space, I think those are gonna you know come back big and also be competitive and you know offer that kind of flex time and space that as an alternative to just working. Home or just having a strict office. Um, and I really am rooting for brick and mortar and would love to see you know all that come back full force. And I just like for STR folks for for the brick and mortar shops and retail, I'm a huge advocate, obviously, of you know, having really good design. Like you need to have a good buying experience, whether it's a clothing store or a restaurant, you need to have a good consumer client experience while they're in there. And, you know, ambiance and the vibe can contribute so much to whether someone's gonna come back or just sit at home and you know, click order on their computer. So I'm I'm hugely hopeful that um, you know, people will, you know, realize that and spend a little bit more time on that.

SPEAKER_03 22:48

Now, do you have any of your own short-term rentals?

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Not yet. And I can't, I'd love to be able to um do that shortly. We have hosted from our own home once or twice when we were on vacation vacating. So we have hosted before and had a little bit of that experience. Um, but I will be looking forward to getting my own one day. And I would can't wait. I am really also super interested in like the peer space model, um, where it's not necessarily a home, but it's like that I was talking about whether it is a um co-working space or a production space or a photo shoot space. I've used those myself for my own headshots and things like that. Um, and it I just helped a client doing a peer space um rental, where it was an ADU that they just renovated with my help and an outdoor space. And the return has been gangbusters and famous people are booking it to do some of their shoots, and it's better than I could have ever expected. And their return is coming so much faster. To just give you a quick comparison, what I've heard the numbers are so far. Last year, pre-renovation, they rented their house in outdoor

The $7,000-a-month ADU backyard studio

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space, I think four times and had to vacate it while that was happening and made like five grand over the whole year. Um, now post-renovation with the ADU done and the whole backyard done really, really well, it's something like seven grand a month. So, yeah. So um it's been hugely beneficial for them. And now that it's not in their own house, they don't have to leave anymore for those days that it does get rented. Um, so that has been so rewarding for me to see that I could help them create a space like that.

SPEAKER_06 24:45

And that's where I was kind of going with the commercial space. Like, have you hopped into that peer space design? Cause that because that's starting to be real big in LA.

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Yeah, it is. Um, and I have my eye, you know, I I have uh pushed off in my calendar, been meaning to call someone on the Peer Space team. I want to I want to get behind the scenes and dig a little bit for their numbers and explore what they have. I want to see what they have to say for my for my area before I jump into it. So that's actually on my calendar to do is to schedule a call with them and see if I can get any numbers from behind the curtain there.

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Six figures a month. Yeah, that's that's what people on Peer Space in LA are doing. Six figures a month off Pierce off well design. Yeah, it's about six figures the the good ones do the good ones, yeah.

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Is it like a mansion or something? No, it's just like a regular house, commercial building, like a yeah, like a photo shoot studio.

SPEAKER_06 25:39

Oh, I see. Yeah, man.

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Yeah, and there's plenty of those spaces here.

SPEAKER_06 25:44

Yeah, see, and I was wondering if people starting to just hey, arbitrage a commercial building.

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That's what I want to do, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 25:51

That's the bigger, that's the bigger play. Arbitrage that and then turn it into like a peer space or something like that.

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That'd be that's yeah, yeah.

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Peer space is the real deal, is what I'm hearing.

SPEAKER_06 26:02

It is, but the problem is the calendar linking sucks, man. We we missed out on a six thousand dollar booking off peer space. Oh, we're at on uh on our new Plano property, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:14

What are the the laws over there in LA for doing short-term rentals?

SPEAKER_02 26:18

Well, first of all, LA is a huge metropolitan area, and we have all these little cities within it. So we have like Culver City, Beverly Hills, Santa Monica, and then LA proper, let alone like Glendale, Pasadena, all that kind of stuff. So each of those is gonna have its own rules. Um, and some people got grandfathered in to some of the better rules, um, you know, but it has been a big crackdown, just like New York and I think just like a lot of places. I don't know. I, you know, I knew some um friends that were doing flying under the radar of just kept doing their Airbnb um in New York City and Brooklyn and assumed that there was no enforcement and they did that for like a year extra or something. I don't know kind of what that risk is, but certainly where you're not living in the space, it's much harder to do now. But the ADU thing is on fire. So people are um, and rules have just relaxed in LA in terms of building rules and construction just to help with like the housing crisis and the density and all that kind of stuff that's going on here and all those things that we're contending with. It's a lot easier to build and get approved your ADU now on your property. Um, so that is what has really been gangbusters, people adding to their square footage of their home for resale value, and also to do stuff like the peer space, Airbnb, um, have that extra income, which is so important in a city like this.

SPEAKER_03 27:45

Yeah, they were letting people build little bitty houses behind their house, right? That's true. And they could and they could Airbnb those out, right?

SPEAKER_02 27:51

That's right. Oh, sorry, I keep referring to it as an ADU, but an additional dwelling unit. So yeah, those itty bitty um tiny house guys, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:58

Ittty bitty money makers.

SPEAKER_02 28:00

That's right.

SPEAKER_06 28:01

Yeah, I just reached out to the ADU builder today, so yeah, I'm hoping to hear back. Yeah, that's a that's a nice little chunk of change you could add to your primary residence and make some money off of it.

SPEAKER_02 28:12

Absolutely. Absolutely. There's there's even like prefabs now you can get plopped in and um kinds of stuff.

SPEAKER_03 28:20

So is there like people that are reaching out to to people with houses over there with like a little bit like a backyard saying, hey, we'll build

Design tips - accent walls, stencils, Instagrammable spots

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it, we'll do everything, and we'll just give you a piece of the money. Because we're gonna start that.

SPEAKER_02 28:32

Oh, oh, like man project manage it, and then yeah, you should. Like, let me take over your backyard, I'll give you a pack.

SPEAKER_03 28:43

Yeah, pay their whole mortgage. Yeah, I think be great. Um, do you have any tips for our listenership? Like um how to do cool things in your space on a budget to make it look really good, eco-friendly, and just really like you know, have that wow factor.

SPEAKER_02 28:58

Sure. So I am I definitely think that you need a few booking magnet and like Instagrammable spots in each of your rental units, and that can definitely be easily achieved through all kinds of budget-friendly ways. Paint is so easy, and I don't mean just like a one-color accent wall, you can do all kinds of geometric shapes and patterns and um interesting things, just pop on Pinterest and get creative and and look at what you can do with paint anything like colorful and fun, where people can take pictures in front of, or just gives like a really happy vibe to the space. Um, so that and along those lines, like you can do the same thing so affordably with um, you know, plants and getting like a bunch of wall planters and having a huge green space and and getting creative like that. There are definitely tons of different things you can do. Um and and I want to encourage everyone to think outside the box because now that everything is so saturated, it's easy to see the same kind of cookie cutter aesthetic over and over and over again. So if you're gonna DIY it, I think you know, another tip is just to take the time that it requires to plan and you know, get a color palette going. Look at, you know, get some inspiration for those, look at that, measure your space. You don't want to have any mistakes and you want to get it right the first time, and you need to understand how stuff is gonna fit into your space. Uh, how many times do I see an overcrowded or underdecorated space? You want to, you know, just the amount of time. Yes, it takes time and energy and resources. That's why professionals like me have a job. Um, but if you're gonna do it yourself, you have to be willing to take that on, otherwise, it's just gonna be kind of a shit show. Am I allowed to say that on you? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 30:57

Oh yeah, we we keep it a buck on this on this show, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:02

That's cool. That can you can you like point out one thing that you did at a spot that just I mean, like didn't really cost a lot, but is like wow, it just really it really brought the the whole place to life.

SPEAKER_02 31:14

One thing you say, um stencils are a really easy way to get a huge impact on a pretty low budget. So you just buy a couple of the same stencils um in case you need to go through them, and it's it's kind of like um hacking wallpaper. Wallpaper can be quite expensive for the paper itself and the installation, but if you get an awesome pattern and a couple complementary contrasting paint colors, you can have a really similar effect for a really you know big wow factor popping um accent wall that will look great in all your photos. That's a really good fun one.

SPEAKER_06 31:59

Accent walls that that's really hidden right now, them accent walls. Um, I gotta get better at my design. We we had an accent wall just put up, and it was uh Steve, your friend actually painted it and it was it's beautiful, especially if you get the right pieces in there. I'm horrible with that, so my partner took care of it. I'm I suck it. I don't have that design eye. I'm not picking out pretty things.

SPEAKER_02 32:19

Good, that's why everyone's gonna hire me and designers like me.

SPEAKER_06 32:22

Yeah, there you go.

SPEAKER_02 32:24

It's like my bookkeeping example. Like, I guess you could try and struggle through it, or you could hand it off, you know. It's much easier.

SPEAKER_03 32:33

Yeah, pain does pain goes a long way. So, do you do photography also, or you hire that out?

SPEAKER_02 32:38

No, I hire that out, yeah. Yeah, but you're there.

SPEAKER_03 32:42

I bet you you're there with the photographer because you want to, yeah, yeah. That's how see that's how Sarah, you know, is and I could tell when she's there, it's like wow, you know, they got all the the shots, you know. When when she's not, and like, oh, you can just go have I'll give you the code. It's okay, it's a there's a huge difference.

SPEAKER_02 32:58

There's a huge difference, and again, I don't want to leave that money on the table. I think it's just a mindset shift about like, okay, what are the steps I'm gonna do to prepare for this? I know you know you guys like to move so quickly, but it's like if we can set it up right the first time, then you want to be, you know, you want your ad to come up or your ad, your listing to come up first on the algorithm. You want people clicking through yours the most. Um, so it's kind of like anything else, like you're gonna get out of it what you put into it. So yeah.

unknown 33:32

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 33:32

And how do you how do you direct a photographer without pissing them off?

SPEAKER_02 33:38

Um well, the first thing along my you know, whole spiel of prepping is it is helpful to have a shoot list. Um, so if you know that you have a spot with a great view, I look through a couple of your guys' listings and there's quite a few beautiful views. Um, that should be on there. And um yeah, just having the shot list of anything unique or special about the unit that or any creative ideas that you might have. Um, and then when you're in there, whether you're having someone like style the unit in each room as

Photography shoot lists and styling vignettes

SPEAKER_02 34:12

you go, um, sometimes some close-ups or vignettes, as we like to call them, come out really well. And so those are the closer-in photos of like a cute little, you know, coffee mug on the coffee table with a book next to it where it's just styled well and it looks really cute and homey and fun. Um, designers can help direct the photographers to do that who might otherwise just be trying to get like all those wide angles and and and the room as a whole.

SPEAKER_03 34:41

So no fish eye cam.

SPEAKER_02 34:43

I'm not crazy about those. I think if you if the if the place looks pretty good um with what you've done to it, you might not need that. Come on, 90s wrapper into the fish eye can only wear a puffy jacket and a chain in there.

SPEAKER_05 35:02

Yeah, I'm uh kind of I'm like, dang, hold on. You you took a look at our listings?

SPEAKER_02 35:07

I did her homework, she did homework. I'm gonna need to come in and design some of them.

SPEAKER_06 35:12

Yeah, I think that that was coming. Who's did you look at mine or Steve's?

SPEAKER_02 35:17

Good question. Oh, she's got them pulled up.

SPEAKER_03 35:22

Let her share the screen.

SPEAKER_02 35:23

Okay, who whose unit is Ocean Vistas 305?

SPEAKER_03 35:29

That's not nobody's Ocean Vista.

SPEAKER_02 35:32

Yeah, all right.

SPEAKER_03 35:34

This is the timeshare, Lucy. Oh, it could be that.

SPEAKER_06 35:37

We don't design those.

SPEAKER_02 35:39

Okay, okay. Okay, and then you're off the hook this time.

SPEAKER_03 35:44

Go to share sharebitrage, uh, sharebitrage.com. Is that what it is? Oh no, sharebnb.com. That's that's Micah's. Wouldn't say to put mine out there, Steve.

SPEAKER_04 35:53

What are you doing?

SPEAKER_03 35:55

Hey, you advertise.

SPEAKER_05 35:57

Go to Argusrentals.com.

SPEAKER_03 35:58

There you go. Argus Rentals.

SPEAKER_05 36:01

But yeah, yeah, I was wondering, I'm like, dang, she she looked our list is all man.

SPEAKER_02 36:05

I mean, I thought I did. Now you have me questioning if I even was on the right thing, but I clicked through.

SPEAKER_03 36:09

But well, we we arbitrate timeshares too, so okay, those we don't set up, right?

SPEAKER_02 36:14

Yes, that's what I was looking at. Mm-hmm. Is there some in Florida? I think. Yeah, yeah, that's what I saw.

SPEAKER_06 36:20

I have a question. Could you get into that?

SPEAKER_02 36:23

Why not? As long as I have why, you know, that's a let me put that question back on you guys. Is there why why didn't you um want to set any of those up?

SPEAKER_06 36:35

Right? So we just leased the timeout. But what I what you could do, you could possibly I don't know for any designer out there, because there's a bunch of them in Palm Springs, uh in Anaheim, you might be able to just walk up in there and be like, hey, I've stayed with you guys a couple times, blah, blah, blah. And be like, hey, you guys could really make a bigger impact if you had better design and sell yourself because they have a hundred hundreds of units.

SPEAKER_02 36:59

Now, who's managing that if it's not your guys' internal management? It's like you you just take over the time and advertise it to your community, but it's a separate management.

SPEAKER_06 37:13

Yeah, so there's on-site management who manages everything. We just lease out the time and sell it, right?

SPEAKER_02 37:18

Right, right.

SPEAKER_06 37:19

So when they buy the time, then yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:21

So I mean, as long as the decision makers agree, then it's pretty strange. I just I just stayed in one of those. Actually, I was just on vacation in Maui, and that's definitely I think what I was staying in. And I was like, Oh, I gotta tell these people that their listings are not great.

SPEAKER_03 37:37

I got the rough ones at Maui.

SPEAKER_06 37:38

Yeah, they are, man. I got CD players in there, bro.

SPEAKER_03 37:40

I'm like, but they know people are gonna put it's Maui, they know they're gonna stay booked no matter what.

SPEAKER_04 37:46

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 37:47

Some of them timeshares, dude. I don't know if you've ever been to them, Steve, but yeah, they have CD players and DVD players in them. I'm like, bro, what is this?

SPEAKER_02 37:56

Yeah, it took me a half hour to figure out how to turn on and set up the TV. And I forbid anyone to turn it off because once it was on, I couldn't get back, you know, I could never get back into the Netflix, so it just had to stay on all night.

SPEAKER_03 38:08

What resort was that?

SPEAKER_02 38:10

It was um see, it was it was one of these because it was called Caldwell Banker Mao, you know, vacations Maui Vista. So it was like oh, yeah, through some sort of like investment portfolio or something, you know.

SPEAKER_03 38:26

Oh, okay. Yeah, we we stay at Sansa Kahana over there. It's really it's not what town is that in? Uh is it Lahaina? Is it Lahaina? Yeah, it's right by Maui Brewing, Maui Brewing Company. If you went there, yeah, that one nice. You know, beautiful views, beautiful.

Quality furniture over junk - guests treat nice spaces better

SPEAKER_03 38:46

I mean, they're big, spacious, but though it's like they got old, old ass furniture in there. Yeah, just it's just like they don't care. They know people are gonna book it no matter what.

SPEAKER_02 38:54

Yeah, and that's you know, that's another topic of interest, is that I I like to talk about for these kinds of things is the difference, you know, not being afraid to use good furniture and nice stuff, and that constant fear of things going wrong or getting broken or stained or whatever. I think it's another mindset shift that you have to make. Like it's not your house. Yes, you're investing in these pieces, so it's it's a good thing to invest in quality pieces, maybe ones that are easy to clean or won't break as easily. But don't be afraid to, you know, make it look nice. Don't go in there assuming people are gonna trash it, because first of all, I think you guys would agree it is a small percentage of people who break your, you know, bed frames and stuff or whatever. And second of all, again, it's um it's it's an investment. So you have to be willing to plan for that and put a little aside if you need to replace something. Again, it's not a get rich quick scheme, it's a get wealthy over the long term business. And I just want to encourage people not to have that fear and to just go into it buying all junk because they're assuming it's gonna be treated like junk. The nicer you deck it out and the better you make it feel psychologically, the better people are gonna treat it.

SPEAKER_03 40:20

That's yeah, that is true. So, yeah, if you run in a slum lord place, you're gonna get slumlord people messing it up, right? So uh you brought you brought up the bed and breaking beds, and that's a big thing and that people don't talk about in our community. But but um I always tell Micah these are these are like vacation rentals, people are gonna go and have fun, and that bed's gonna get a lot of use. So you wanted something you do. What do you suggest?

SPEAKER_01 40:46

I honestly wasn't even thinking of it that way. Then I saw Micah laughing, it's like, oh yeah, that made sense.

SPEAKER_03 40:51

Because we it comes up a lot on the show.

SPEAKER_06 40:55

Hold on, quick thing before you say that. Like, and this is what I've noticed about beds breaking, and this is what I've noticed like, and this is for tips for everybody who's listening out there who has who's having beds break. I've noticed most beds break when people don't use box springs. So when people are doing the do on top of those little slats, it's over with, bro.

SPEAKER_02 41:14

Like you fall through the slats, yeah. You fall through the slats move around.

SPEAKER_06 41:18

Yeah, so if you do it on the at least you got the mattress, the box spring, then the slats, then it's a you know all held in a little bit together. It's a full support system, but yeah, that use box springs if you you're running into beds.

SPEAKER_02 41:29

There you go. But go ahead, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:32

Speaking of reclaimed wood, so the bottom of the bed, because like for example, canopy beds, they have the metal legs or beds like that with the metal legs, you know, two in the middle, two in each corner. Those, I mean, there's they just move and bend and just like ah, you know, they give a lot of issues, they give people a lot of issues. What kind of beds do you you suggest to put in in the Airbnb or the short-term rentals?

SPEAKER_02 41:55

Yeah, so the the chunkier legs are a good idea. I agree with you on those like bendy, you know, longer metal legs might not be such a good idea with two in the middle and two in the ends. I think box spring is a great um idea. And then it kind of just depends on the space because I don't want to rule out platform beds altogether, especially because those give you a little bit more if you need storage under the bed, um, that's where you're gonna get that. Um, unless you get one of those ones that have that built-in storage, and then those are super sturdy. They they come all the way down to the ground on a lot of the sides, or at least two of the sides, and they have that like you know, framing um for the shelving and all that kind of stuff, or not shelving the drawers and all that kind of stuff. So yeah, definitely something with sturdy legs. Um, if you don't need the storage, maybe scrap the platform bad idea and get something that sits on the floor a little bit heavier. Um, so it's not as lifted up. It has that box spring and much shorter legs. And then again, you just want to look at that quality. Like, is it made out of you know, particle board and MDF? Does it have some solid wood in there? Is it reinforced? Is it $200? Because it's gonna break. If it's $200, it's gonna break. Um, so you know, just you know, again, looking at that quality quality for longevity.

SPEAKER_03 43:12

I I've seen like they do cool things with uh what are they called? The uh they they use the forklift to lift up. What are those things called? Uh ball razors? Pallet jack. Yeah, pallets, yeah. You know, like you know what a palette is. Yeah, yeah. So they do they do some cool things with those. Do you do you ever work with those that reclaim those?

SPEAKER_02 43:31

No, that's a little bit um, I think been there, done that, and I would be worried a little bit about some safety

Bed frame advice - sturdy legs and box springs prevent breaks

SPEAKER_02 43:41

stuff, just with how like you know, that would require a lot of sanding and kind of cutting back. And um, you know, if there's little kids, I wouldn't want them kind of like bumping into that kind of thing. It's cool to if you get someone to deconstruct the pellets and totally construct new pieces out of pallet wood. Um, into a whole new frame or something like that. That's a totally different story. But um I yeah, I'm not crazy about that look anymore. And I would have some logistical concerns about that.

SPEAKER_06 44:12

I need to know what pallets you I know you're talking about. But how you mean putting a bed on top of them? Yeah, they make like bed frames out of them and stuff. Oh, okay, okay. Out of them. I thought you were just putting the pallets down there and then putting the bed on top of them.

SPEAKER_02 44:23

That's what I thought. Isn't that what you meant?

SPEAKER_06 44:25

Yeah, just like that.

SPEAKER_03 44:27

Yeah. Right? What did I say? You said that. I ain't never seen that.

SPEAKER_01 44:32

Good.

SPEAKER_03 44:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:34

Good. It's gone.

SPEAKER_03 44:35

It's LA is always ahead of us, Michael. We're in Texas. We're like Texas, man.

SPEAKER_06 44:40

I ain't never lying. I'm from the West Coast, so I maybe it's a Texas thing. I've never seen it.

SPEAKER_02 44:47

It was really hot a few years ago. There was a lot of reclaimed palette, this palette that. But I think it's better to deconstruct those palettes and create something else with them.

SPEAKER_06 44:59

Palette bed frame. Yeah, I'm looking it up. I gotta see this. Oh, okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 45:04

Yeah, yeah. And they're sturdy. There's dirty.

SPEAKER_06 45:06

If you could paint one, possibly.

SPEAKER_03 45:08

I'm I'm I got the hookups at my job. Um, so a serious question is the invisible house in Joshua Tree. Is that like your Mecca?

SPEAKER_02 45:21

I don't know what that is.

SPEAKER_03 45:23

That's like a famous Airbnb, and they made it out of glass, and it just kind of like blends. I don't know, you can see part of it.

SPEAKER_04 45:30

Yeah, it's like it's amazing.

SPEAKER_03 45:32

Look, yeah, Google it right now. Uh invisible, invisible house, Joshua Tree, and it's supposed to be all um eco 100% eco-friendly, reused stuff.

SPEAKER_02 45:42

Okay, I'm gonna have to book there. It might have been made on a but that means you can't walk around naked in there, huh?

SPEAKER_03 45:48

No, no, you can't you can't see inside.

SPEAKER_06 45:51

Okay, you can't 2600, right?

SPEAKER_02 45:54

Oh wow, okay.

SPEAKER_03 45:55

But it's freaking better be tinted glass. So at the geez, you don't mess around. So so what are some I mean, are there any cool ones that stand out? We interviewed the guy, uh Peter Behooth, like on episode six of our podcast a long time ago. And um, he's the he's the the tree house guy, the original treehouse guy out of Atlanta, number one wish for Airbnb in the world, and um, and it was really cool. I mean, he just built this, just he just built he just always wanted to have a tree house, he built it for himself and made it all decked out, and this is before Airbnb, then he ended up Airbnb in it, and it just went crazy. And you know, people that film movies in Atlanta use it and stuff like that. So it's just like it's just like it just shows that you know, someone following their passion of design and doing something really cool, and it just happens to make money, you know, it just everything comes together.

SPEAKER_02 46:45

Absolutely. Um, yeah, I mean, if you have a creative space or if you have a

Themed Airbnbs vs. place-based elevated design

SPEAKER_02 46:52

funky space that you would like to make income off of, I do think it'd be a really great idea to get um a pro in there to help you figure out how to best set it up.

SPEAKER_03 47:02

Now, do you are you a fan of themed Airbnb?

SPEAKER_02 47:05

Great question. And my answer is only in very rare circumstances. I think there is a line between a theme and place-based good design. Like that, let's use that example of that um place I was in in Maui. It was definitely themed, you know. We were near the beach in Hawaii. Every single thing was mass-produced, crappy art that said something about a surfboard, stuck on the wall, crooked, you know, dead starfish everywhere. All the pillows were blue. It's like, okay, I get it. I'm at the beach. Um, but you can do good quality, awesome design that's unique and place-based without going cookie-cutter, cheesy, you know, mass-produced. A lot of the reasons why people are choosing Airbnb and these at least like living dwellings over hotels is that sense of feeling like home and having the amenities of home and all that kind of stuff. So making it overly themed, hotel y, um, kind of chintzy is gonna sort of be counterproductive. So you can use, you know, if you're at a coastal unit, you can use other colors besides blue. And if you're in the desert, you know, like there might be a way to incorporate, you know, deserty place-based themes that aren't so on the nose. And I think again, you know, not to beat a dead horse, but a pro is gonna be able to help you walk that line between doing a kitschy theme versus a really, you know, elevated design that is going to incorporate the vibe and the essence of the place and integrate that seamlessly to have a really, really good guest experience and you know, be like into where they're at without like you know, some of the cheesier stuff, shall we say, that um is the maybe lowest hanging fruit.

SPEAKER_06 49:13

I love that wording, lowest hanging fruit.

SPEAKER_02 49:17

Yeah, I would say maybe like say in Anaheim, that's actually where I'm from, where you're near Disneyland and you are there for a with the family and you are all about like Disney and you are gonna get into the Disney vibe. I could totally see that if you had subtle themes where in a kid's room, like you know, maybe the the um knobs on the dresser are Mickey Mouse, and maybe, you know, there's a little nightlight in the bathroom and it's goofy or whatever it is. Like, there are ways to incorporate a theme where you're not doing like a whole Star Wars mural on on one of the walls. So there's definitely ways to um make the parents and the kids happy. There's ways to go like have a theme, but it's still the design principles are still all the same. You know, there's um it's cohesive, there's balance, there's symmetry, there's you know, appropriate colors, all that kind of stuff that's gonna feel great and still have that little bit of extra fun and pizzazz.

SPEAKER_03 50:20

Well said. Yeah, we've come a long way from using just grandma's furniture to to set up our Airbnbs.

SPEAKER_02 50:26

Oh, yeah, oh yeah. It's too, I feel like it's too competitive now to forego some of these things. Like I think you we used to be able to get away with that um back in the day, and it was okay. But now that it's so competitive and your listeners are getting into this to make money, it's not just like a hobby or you know, it's something new and interesting. It's like, okay, it's a tried and true method, but in such a saturated field, and depending on the location you're at, you know, you really gotta do because if you're gonna do it, you might as well do it right.

SPEAKER_06 51:01

Yeah. And that that is where the Airbnb space be Airbnb or short-term rental space is. You have to have something that's gonna stand out because there's way too many listings out there, especially. I know probably in a saturated area of Southern California where you are, or you know what I mean? So it's yeah, definitely it's worth it to have something not if not themed, well decorated.

SPEAKER_02 51:23

Absolutely. Yeah. Clickbait. Wait, no, what's the word? Click magnet.

SPEAKER_06 51:28

Oh, I never heard of that one.

SPEAKER_03 51:31

Yeah, I like it.

SPEAKER_06 51:34

I never heard of that one.

SPEAKER_03 51:35

Yeah, so what's in store for your future, Erica?

SPEAKER_02 51:39

What's in store? Um, I can't wait to work with more people on setting up their spaces and watching all the dough roll in. Um, and yeah, like I said, getting back to some of the commercial projects and keep going on some of the homes

Remote e-design services and pricing

SPEAKER_02 51:56

I'm doing. Um, I am definitely looking forward to helping the industry get a little cleaner and greener too, and working on that. And that's basically what it looks like over here.

SPEAKER_03 52:08

Now, do you do remote design? Like you could design something here in Dallas.

SPEAKER_02 52:12

Absolutely, yeah. Um, and that I was kind of an I not to pat myself on my own back, but I was an early adoptor of remote work or edesign, online design. There's a bunch of different terms for it. And um that is such a good option for people, whether yeah, it's remote work um or you're just willing to do a little bit more of the elbow grease yourself, and it also saves you on the design fee a little bit more. Um, so we do, I do all the same processes as my full service up to the point of purchasing. So you still get the floor plans, you still get um the concepts, you still get the 3D model, you still get the green guide that I do, you get all these amazing deliverables, and then you get your list of links on your itemized purchase list of each and everything you need for each room. And of course, like consulting, hand holding all along the way. And then you just click those links, do the purchasing, and be willing to um install it yourself. So that's the major difference, is that last piece of the puzzle.

SPEAKER_03 53:17

Now, now, do you want to discuss like what your fee is for doing all that?

SPEAKER_02 53:21

Or yeah, sure. So my fee, um, I think I just put it on my website. So it's certainly public information. It's something like between 950 and 11 something for my design fee per room, depending on the square footage. Um, and then when you group a bunch of rooms together, there's a little bit of a discount. And um, then full service projects. So I'm there with you every step of the way. I do all the purchasing. My clients get a little bit of a trade discount when they work with me, um, depending on the vendors that we work with. So I pass on some of that through to my clients for the full service. And then I do all of the um purchasing, delivery, receiving, and installing on the full service end. So that doesn't have a you know finite flat fee that is variable for each kind of project. Um, but I have super simple, um, very client-friendly pricing um for both the full service and the um e-design stuff.

SPEAKER_03 54:28

Oh, oh so how do you okay? Let's say you have a client here in Dallas and they they love your designs, they want you to do it, but you know, they don't want to put it together. Well, how do you how do you work that out?

SPEAKER_02 54:39

Um, well, luckily there's a lot of services these days that make it pretty easy to um get stuff done for you in another city. So I often use something like even you know, at the earlier part of the e-design process, depending on what location you're in, um, it's pretty easy to get someone on Tesla or something similar, or if I already have relationships established in that city, because I have done some out of state projects um at this point in Texas and elsewhere. So once you have a good team, I have them go in and do the measurements and the you know photos and all that kind of stuff to record. And so we just would do something like that, get something on the schedule either through like um thumbtack or task rabbit or something where we can get some um rated and vetted people in to help assemble and all that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_06 55:30

Question. So do you have like a portfolio page of like your remote some of your remote work?

SPEAKER_02 55:35

It's a little bit mixed up. All my portfolio is mixed, the edesign and the in-person stuff, but it's um it's all it's all up there and all different kinds of projects um on my portfolio page. If anyone wants to have a look at ecomethodinteriors.com. Thanks for letting me plug.

SPEAKER_06 55:54

There you go. I got it. Yeah, because I'm gonna check that out. Because the the remote edesign is very come becoming very, very popular, you know, is it something I've been looking into? I think we just did one actually. Yeah, we just did one of a Plano.

SPEAKER_02 56:07

So oh, how did it go? That's it was great.

SPEAKER_06 56:10

I didn't do anything. My partner, he did all the hands-on stuff, hired the people, you know. I just put my money in the pot.

SPEAKER_02 56:16

And good. And did you guys both think it was worth it to have you know that planning and prep and all the design concept planned out for you?

SPEAKER_06 56:26

Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we we I was just telling Steve when you had stepped away, we we just missed like a six thousand dollar reservation because of Peer Space's lack of calendar syncing.

SPEAKER_02 56:38

So huh, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 56:40

So it was definitely worth it.

SPEAKER_02 56:42

Oh, good, okay, good. Um, yeah, that's I mean, I have not ever heard someone say to myself or to another designer, um, wow, your services was were not worth it. And I regret hiring you. It's you know, it's always pretty much the opposite where they have felt that you know every petty went to a really good good cause.

SPEAKER_03 57:11

Heck yeah. Well, thank you so much for hopping on. You plugged your website ecomethodinteriors.com. Where else can people find you?

SPEAKER_02 57:21

That's the one. I'm just gonna leave you with that one place. I mean, that's pretty simple. Um, same name for Instagram if you want to say hi over there.

SPEAKER_03 57:31

IG. Sweet. And I'm gonna put you in touch with Sarah right after the show because y'all, oh man, y'all will hit it off big time. And um, so the number on here is is yours, so I can just it is I will do that. And um, any more questions, Micah?

SPEAKER_06 57:46

No, I'm trying to find her on IG.

SPEAKER_03 57:48

On the IG. I think I found it.

SPEAKER_06 57:52

Okay, yeah.

unknown 57:53

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 57:54

Well, thank you guys so much, and I really hope I made a compelling case for your listeners and um that they got some good ideas out of this and um how we're gonna go forward with the right foot forward.

SPEAKER_03 58:08

Sweet. Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna send them all your way because uh we like what you're doing.

SPEAKER_02 58:13

Well, thank you so much. I like what you guys are doing too, and thank you so much for having me and for you know sharing all your knowledge on this topic.

SPEAKER_03 58:21

Thank you. Thank you. You're welcome. Uh see you later.

SPEAKER_06 58:26

We are out, all right. So that was Erica Rainer and Reiner Reiner, by the way. Reiner, Erica Reiner, and she is a killer design based out of Southern California. So, yeah, that's dope. Like that, and and I like how she brought up like the the design spaces are definitely worth more and is worth your time and your money. Like I said, we missed a big ass reservation due to good design, but damn peer space, got to get that calendar together, man.

SPEAKER_03 58:57

Yeah, we'll get the peer skate, the peer space guy on here and we'll tell him.

SPEAKER_06 59:01

I've already told him. Oh, but I mean, I want to get him on though. I definitely want to get him on because I've I've talked to him on a clubhouse, but I definitely want to get him on because he he had meant the the the concept of peer space, it's money-wise, it's way better than Airbnb on the money side. If you can, you know, get it linked up and synced up, or if you just go 100% peer space, you know.

SPEAKER_03 59:22

So that's something that's something to think about, man.

SPEAKER_06 59:26

It's on my mind too.

SPEAKER_03 59:29

Well, cool, man. This has been a great episode, episode 176. Erica Ryan, uh, Ryan. See, I'm saying it too. Erica Reiner, R-E-I-N-E-R. Uh, go check her out, go check her stuff out, ecomethodinteriors.com. And her stuff is so cool and it's eco-friendly. If if you're into that, even if you're not into that, you can still, you know, getting some uh gently loved furniture is still a good option, too, you know, and you can save some money and you know be safe to the environment. So it's all good, man. Nothing but love.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:02

Yeah, nothing but love. Another great episode in the in the butt box or in the books, by the book. Another great episode in the butt box. Yeah, another great episode. It's in there, it's in there. So, yeah, thank y'all for continuing to listen to us. You can find us, live let thrive. Email us, livelethrive at gmail.com, find us at live that thrive.com, find follow us on IG at LiveLet Thrive. Thank y'all for continuing to listen, and we hope we are able to plug plug your company.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:30

I plug mine and we're out.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:31

Oh, yeah, yeah. Go ahead, plug yours on okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:35

Uh my company is archistrentals.com, arges rentals.com. Argist is the largest, and um at arjustrentals Instagram. So, yeah, look us up, follow us, and and if you find some cool stuff like from Carolina, the Federico's wife, she does some cool prints and stuff like that for your Airbnb's uh or short-term rentals. Um, she'll give you a great discount if you mention the show. So that's my plug.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:02

Let's go. If you got any houses for rent or sale, holla at your boy. But yeah, holla. I we are out later. Peace.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:14

Thank you for tuning in to this week's episode of Live Let Thrive. Be sure to tune in next week for all the latest in the world of Airbnb and all that entails. Bye bye.